0 00:00:02,639 --> 00:00:08,880 Jorge Pullin: Okay, sorry speaker to this machine hand will speak about pathological formulation semi classical lemon cosmological perturbation theory. 1 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:13,080 Muxin Han: Hi, thanks for joining and thanks everybody for coming. 2 00:00:14,460 --> 00:00:23,520 Muxin Han: Here I'm going to talk about some very reason resolved, we get with my collaborator, homeboy, Leo and high Valley, so I'm 3 00:00:25,140 --> 00:00:27,000 Muxin Han: Sorry I and 4 00:00:28,110 --> 00:00:30,540 Muxin Han: I probably can't see my mouth right 5 00:00:32,190 --> 00:00:36,960 Muxin Han: Away. So yeah, let's go back to the regular more. Okay, so here 6 00:00:38,700 --> 00:00:51,480 Muxin Han: The most part of the work and most part of the talk is going to be based on several papers and two of them has been published and they are another two papers and which hopefully coming very soon. 7 00:00:52,650 --> 00:01:05,400 Muxin Han: So here it is an outline of my talk. So firstly at beginning I'm going to reveal or introduce the new pass integral formulation coming from reduce based on gravity. So this is 8 00:01:05,970 --> 00:01:15,420 Muxin Han: A great reveal because and this is the result we opened last year and I have talked about this past into a formulation in the LDS talk 9 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:27,960 Muxin Han: Last year. So then, secondly, I'm going to talk about the semi classical limit the right from this past integral formulation and it's a standard way to obtain 10 00:01:29,370 --> 00:01:35,490 Muxin Han: Very using my original principal to get equation motion. And then part solutions of the equation motion and we're 11 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:44,850 Muxin Han: Going to show you. And the result of that semi classical limit give you correct semi classical result and 12 00:01:45,840 --> 00:02:04,950 Muxin Han: Certainly, I'm going to compare this new path integral formulation with the existing inform formulation and show some advantage of it and firstly I'm going to derive from these past Indira formulation, a cosmological perturbation theory from food Groupon gravity. 13 00:02:06,510 --> 00:02:11,040 Muxin Han: And in and I'm also going to briefly talk about the relation with numerical relativity 14 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:21,900 Muxin Han: OK, so now let's come to the introducing these past integral formulation from reduced place based upon gravity. So let me first a break, very briefly. 15 00:02:22,470 --> 00:02:34,530 Muxin Han: Review the reduced reduced by space formulation of gravity. So, usually in this formulation will have to couple gravity to some matter field and those Netherfield our so called talk fields. 16 00:02:34,950 --> 00:02:41,640 Muxin Han: And three, there are three popular scenarios and you can couple gravity to so called Bronco cash. Does this is the playground. 17 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:50,010 Muxin Han: Of Bronco cash does. So here you got some fields t and as they are skaters and or we call them. Does the field. 18 00:02:50,610 --> 00:02:56,550 Muxin Han: And and similarly, you can also have a modified Lagrangian which is we call golden dust. 19 00:02:57,450 --> 00:03:07,440 Muxin Han: And the structure is very similar also depend on this clock do TNS and also you can have you can build a model with just the regular matter with 20 00:03:08,190 --> 00:03:21,480 Muxin Han: For example, the real just a real skater field. So in this talk, I'm going to many focus on first two models. And although our, our work also did calculation with mass with Skylar field. 21 00:03:22,110 --> 00:03:29,400 Muxin Han: Okay, so then this is standard and construction of the direct observable using the clock fields. So here we say these 22 00:03:30,570 --> 00:03:33,120 Muxin Han: These scholar field equals towel. 23 00:03:34,260 --> 00:03:48,420 Muxin Han: Corresponds to the data time or physical time variable and these as today. The these there another three figure fields, you could see my J and the value of those fields are our so called fixed physical space variable. 24 00:03:49,710 --> 00:03:57,570 Muxin Han: So basically we build a task the frame in the space time. And the idea is that, and we construct the observable. 25 00:03:58,380 --> 00:04:10,710 Muxin Han: By permit rising gravity variables with value of that field. Namely, we say this, we construct the field as he the gravity conjugate variables. 26 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:21,930 Muxin Han: The they are in terms of task time and Dustin space sigma and how then equals to the field evaluated at space time point x 27 00:04:22,500 --> 00:04:33,480 Muxin Han: We are those tasks field equals toe and see. So this is the relatively define those York very direct of durables yes and they are eating variant. 28 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:55,800 Muxin Han: And then we find nicely. If we compute the opposing bracket, they just give the standard closing bracket, very similar to the usual wasn't bragging between A and E and the only difference is that here. Those delta functions are in the so called Dallas to space using sigma sigma prime 29 00:04:57,300 --> 00:05:11,940 Muxin Han: So here from these we we see that they are actually the conjugate pairs. They are firstly dr, dr absorb oils. Secondly, the account, you get pairs and they they are actually the canonical coordinates in the reduced bass, bass. 30 00:05:13,230 --> 00:05:29,490 Muxin Han: So we build up the bass, bass, which is reduced bass, bass and remove all constraints and gauge redundancy and, secondly, because we coupled matter field, we can solve those constraints and we can, right. So, these are the equivalent 31 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:34,620 Muxin Han: Hamiltonian constraint anthropomorphism constraint, you can say, you can see that 32 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:49,140 Muxin Han: It's it's linear to pee and Pj and here P is a momentum variable or tea and Pj is moment variable for Friday. So here it's all of those constraints, it comes up here and PJ. 33 00:05:50,310 --> 00:05:55,830 Laurent Freidel: Sorry maxing. Yeah. Yeah. Could you just go full screen so we can see your screen better 34 00:05:56,310 --> 00:05:56,970 Like, like, oh, 35 00:05:58,740 --> 00:06:00,810 Muxin Han: Yes, about the thing is that you can 36 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,730 Muxin Han: Yeah, you can see my mouse anymore. I don't know why. 37 00:06:09,510 --> 00:06:10,950 Muxin Han: Well, which one you prefer. 38 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:16,260 Muxin Han: I don't know why. So before usually can 39 00:06:17,490 --> 00:06:20,190 Muxin Han: You prefer go to full screen was 40 00:06:20,970 --> 00:06:21,870 Laurent Freidel: Not the only one. 41 00:06:24,300 --> 00:06:28,440 Abhay Ashtekar: I think the mouse is important. I mean, the pointer is important because otherwise, we don't know. 42 00:06:28,740 --> 00:06:34,320 Muxin Han: What you're talking about, okay, yeah. Sorry, I, I don't know why. 43 00:06:34,950 --> 00:06:36,960 Jorge Pullin: Maybe you can close the side panels. 44 00:06:37,980 --> 00:06:40,650 Muxin Han: Yes, I can go do this record. Yeah, I can. 45 00:06:44,790 --> 00:06:49,110 Carlito2: Up right top right, the greenish thing closes right one. 46 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:57,180 Carlito2: Right up top left next to it next next next week. 47 00:06:58,560 --> 00:06:58,830 Carlito2: Yeah. 48 00:07:00,300 --> 00:07:01,200 Muxin Han: This one, this one, 49 00:07:01,260 --> 00:07:04,320 Muxin Han: Yes. Yeah, okay. Oh, you got it. Okay, thank you. Thank you. Now, 50 00:07:07,710 --> 00:07:09,480 Muxin Han: Okay, so, so this should be better. 51 00:07:11,490 --> 00:07:18,840 Muxin Han: All right, we got. Okay, so, so, so we get these okay so we solve the constraint and then 52 00:07:20,340 --> 00:07:24,840 Muxin Han: So because we are in the retail space based. And when we talk about the dynamics of the system. 53 00:07:26,430 --> 00:07:41,850 Muxin Han: We find that the dynamic is generated by so called physical Hamiltonian and these physical time time Tony and is just a week we consider this a towel evolution and this, how is the variable that is the past the time does the clock. 54 00:07:43,230 --> 00:07:50,490 Muxin Han: And and these physical Hamiltonian is just a space into raw of this age, this little he is just the 55 00:07:51,330 --> 00:08:03,750 Muxin Han: Quantity of extract from the Iberian is the Hamiltonian constraints. Now, so this is a physical Hamiltonian and you can compute physical Hamiltonian with any faith based function. It just keeps the Tao evolution. 56 00:08:04,230 --> 00:08:11,550 Muxin Han: Of this function. And here I show is basically the physical Hamiltonian correspond to Bronco cashless and gulshan does 57 00:08:12,090 --> 00:08:28,980 Muxin Han: Here you see that the bronco catch it involves a square root, and these see you have c square and more for see a square the square. It is just the usual Hamiltonian constraint for the gravity. Gravity part Hamiltonian constraint. 58 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:47,910 Muxin Han: But now here's all the quantities are, are those a a stigma. A an easy one. The idea observable. They are composed by using your service, and here we also include a Cosmo your constant term and hear all the work is is is all the work assumes there's constant 59 00:08:50,070 --> 00:08:54,600 Muxin Han: All right. And here the CIA is is the TV movie don't constraint. Yeah. 60 00:08:56,550 --> 00:09:03,990 Muxin Han: So the gulshan does it looks a simpler. It is just that the integration is just the Hamiltonian euro Hamiltonian constraint rabbit. 61 00:09:05,310 --> 00:09:11,970 Muxin Han: By the way, here, here is it's very important to remark that the are some now Holloman constraint. 62 00:09:12,660 --> 00:09:25,680 Muxin Han: Or this radio space base in the in this tool does models and firstly the Hamiltonian constraint here this see has to be negative reason is is very simple, because the total Hamiltonian constraint is this guy. 63 00:09:26,250 --> 00:09:35,850 Muxin Han: Plus the, the metal part and the metal part is always positive. And, and so the Hamiltonian constraint must be negative because the total Hamiltonian constraint goes to zero. 64 00:09:36,390 --> 00:09:45,270 Muxin Han: And, and, secondly, and these these now. Hello. Mommy constraint is essentially for Bronco cash, does it comes from when you saw a billion is 65 00:09:46,080 --> 00:10:01,230 Muxin Han: The Hamiltonian constraint. What you got is and these quantity equals to some task density square. Can you post something square and then there's some where it must be positive. And so this guy. Matthew positive to any question. 66 00:10:01,260 --> 00:10:08,670 Abhay Ashtekar: Yeah and we shouldn't look when you say that you have responsive constant, do you mean that you cannot do it by setting lambda is equal to 67 00:10:08,670 --> 00:10:11,190 Muxin Han: 00 definitely, I can you 68 00:10:12,150 --> 00:10:12,600 Abhay Ashtekar: Allow 69 00:10:13,140 --> 00:10:15,720 Muxin Han: Play I allow. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. 70 00:10:17,670 --> 00:10:21,180 Muxin Han: Okay. So here are two physical requirements. 71 00:10:22,290 --> 00:10:32,760 Muxin Han: Which are now Holloman constraint classically has to be imposed on the face now, but it is these two guys call some subtleties in the inequality as we we will see 72 00:10:34,020 --> 00:10:47,700 Muxin Han: Okay, so let's come to the quantum theory and the colonization is is carried out in in a standard LTE manner. And so here, our organization is carried out on a fixed lattice on a pizza to be ladies. 73 00:10:48,450 --> 00:10:55,590 Muxin Han: Can be graph comma karma and and here in this world. We don't consider the boundary terms. So we assume the space. 74 00:10:57,090 --> 00:11:09,060 Muxin Han: Has no boundary is contact has no boundary, for example, and because some from some of the work is related to cosmology and customer information theory we consider this is karma is the coup de gras petitioning three Taurus. 75 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:11,370 Muxin Han: And then 76 00:11:13,110 --> 00:11:22,560 Muxin Han: Just the standard procedure we construct the Holloman variable and flax variable associated to all the edges of the of the lattice of this lattice. 77 00:11:22,950 --> 00:11:29,310 Muxin Han: And. And now, here they are all Dr observable because they are constructed by using direct observable a he now. 78 00:11:29,970 --> 00:11:37,440 Muxin Han: And and the human space is just a constructed by using way functions of Harlem is able to space Apollo enemies. 79 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:55,800 Muxin Han: And so all the previous construction and so I didn't talk about goals constraint. So all the one we solve those constraint class will be we are actually solving honey Tony constraint and the movement of constraints and and the goals constraint has has to be solved on mechanically 80 00:11:56,940 --> 00:12:05,130 Muxin Han: So when we find the gauge invariant we function of holidays and we construct these finally physical space. 81 00:12:06,090 --> 00:12:16,380 Muxin Han: Age karma and this is already a physical space because we solve because constraint on mechanically and all the classical constraint all the Hamiltonian consuming and you can move it up a spring has been solved. 82 00:12:17,580 --> 00:12:34,230 Muxin Han: Sorry, we saw girls can sprinkle mechanically and all the other constraint has has been solved classic and these these final physical space is is coming from upon ization of reduce basis. And that's why we call this radio play space loop on Bing. 83 00:12:35,850 --> 00:12:44,400 Muxin Han: All right. Okay. And, and then we come to the colonization of physical Hamiltonian is this central part 84 00:12:45,900 --> 00:12:51,990 Muxin Han: And we want to study dynamics and as a result of the Hamiltonian 85 00:12:53,100 --> 00:13:00,810 Muxin Han: Is a number of changing Hamiltonian build on the lattice. And the result is also is positive operator and self a joint 86 00:13:01,500 --> 00:13:14,310 Muxin Han: Yeah, and and so here I want to put a Bronco cash danced and golden dust model in a uniform manner. So I introduce private alpha can be one or zero. 87 00:13:14,670 --> 00:13:25,770 Muxin Han: And if you see this alpha intercept formula and alpha equals one, it corresponds to Bronco cash just an alpha equal to zero. It costs money to go from us. So here you can see this is a 88 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:34,080 Muxin Han: Quantum analog of c square Hamiltonian customer square and taking what we don't constrain square, so you can see it is a quantum analog 89 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,920 Muxin Han: Of this is the quantum analog of that. 90 00:13:40,140 --> 00:13:51,600 Muxin Han: And so we construct age is is just the square of these operators, because this operator is not manifested itself would want. And so we have decorate and put them together and then take a 91 00:13:51,870 --> 00:13:52,650 Abhay Ashtekar: Lost you 92 00:13:54,300 --> 00:13:55,410 Muxin Han: Oh, sorry. 93 00:13:57,630 --> 00:13:58,680 Muxin Han: Can you hear me. 94 00:13:58,890 --> 00:13:59,820 Jorge Pullin: Yes, we can hear. 95 00:14:00,090 --> 00:14:00,480 You 96 00:14:03,420 --> 00:14:06,720 Muxin Han: Sorry what objects that you got lost. 97 00:14:10,560 --> 00:14:12,660 Jorge Pullin: Might be a local problem for him. Go ahead. 98 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:15,120 Jorge Pullin: Okay, so 99 00:14:15,150 --> 00:14:16,140 Muxin Han: So here is 100 00:14:16,410 --> 00:14:17,610 Abhay Ashtekar: Our question since you asked me. 101 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:18,030 About 102 00:14:20,250 --> 00:14:21,600 Abhay Ashtekar: Changing Antonia 103 00:14:22,170 --> 00:14:22,500 Huh. 104 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:24,600 Yeah. 105 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:27,600 Muxin Han: Hello. 106 00:14:28,260 --> 00:14:42,240 Abhay Ashtekar: Yes, but is that something that is. I mean, is it there is, there's some fundamental obstruction in using a graph ending Hamiltonian. Like, for example, which, like the one that Alessi uses or is there some i mean 107 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,770 Abhay Ashtekar: Is this something that you're not looked at, or is that an obstruction or 108 00:14:47,580 --> 00:14:55,770 Muxin Han: Yeah yeah yeah yeah there's object. And the reason is that I'm so late on our procedure and doing semi classical analysis and and for the 109 00:14:56,790 --> 00:15:07,890 Muxin Han: The semi classical limit for the number of changing Hamiltonian. It is correct has been proved to be correct, but for the abrupt ending Hamiltonian. The semi Kathleen is is not clear. 110 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:09,180 Abhay Ashtekar: But 111 00:15:09,390 --> 00:15:09,810 It's funny. 112 00:15:11,370 --> 00:15:14,430 Abhay Ashtekar: Because Allison says that is fine. So, yeah. 113 00:15:15,390 --> 00:15:15,750 Jerzy Lewandowski: There is 114 00:15:16,050 --> 00:15:27,750 Jerzy Lewandowski: There is another obstruction. So, as far as I understand, here we are talking about the cooker cooker model. So in the case of cooker model all the constraints are solved. 115 00:15:28,380 --> 00:15:49,890 Jerzy Lewandowski: And add a few more feelings are not anymore gauge transformations. So, so in this case our Hubert spaces is this space is the key is the usual kinematics Hubert space for Luke quantum gravity and all the operators have to add this operator has to be more physical barrier. 116 00:15:51,360 --> 00:16:08,460 Jerzy Lewandowski: There is no difficulties invariant operator that changes graphs graphs are preserved by these are those those sectors preserve super selection sectors preserved by all the pure monotheism variant so that during operators. So that is the reason why in this 117 00:16:09,510 --> 00:16:12,930 Jerzy Lewandowski: In this so called algebraic quantum gravity Thomas 118 00:16:14,100 --> 00:16:20,040 Jerzy Lewandowski: introduces a new one. The big Rockies, and all operators preserve Islam. 119 00:16:20,790 --> 00:16:21,060 Muxin Han: Yeah. 120 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:21,930 Abhay Ashtekar: Thank you very much. 121 00:16:23,580 --> 00:16:26,760 Muxin Han: So yeah, I will come come to this point in 122 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:28,440 Later. 123 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:41,760 Muxin Han: Alright so so okay so so here. So this is the Hamiltonian operator enter for the invitation. So you see, I introduced this see new 124 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:55,890 Muxin Han: The new at vertex be and these new can goes from zero to one, two, and three. So here, this new the new equals one, two, and three. This is this quantity is just the the CA that you can walk in the JP Morgan and constraint on that is 125 00:16:57,300 --> 00:17:03,810 Muxin Han: So when C zero and new equals to zero. This is just a Hamiltonian as a Ukrainian part of the Hamiltonian constraint. 126 00:17:05,580 --> 00:17:23,190 Muxin Han: Okay, and then the Hamiltonian constraint part is what we use the standard guilty man's Hamiltonian. So this is the European Hamiltonian C zero and the Lawrence part is also the standard form of guilty months I'm Tony so 127 00:17:24,210 --> 00:17:30,840 Muxin Han: So in this calculation, we also carry out analysis for for the Hamiltonian used by I was old school. 128 00:17:32,070 --> 00:17:37,350 Muxin Han: Yeah, so, but it caused some problems. So, Linda, I will also briefly comment on that. 129 00:17:39,660 --> 00:17:45,480 Muxin Han: Alright, so, so now most of the discussion is on this gives documents one. Yeah. 130 00:17:47,370 --> 00:18:03,570 Muxin Han: Okay, so here. Here it is. Some remark also relates to a previous subtlety about know Holloman constraint. So the. You see, you can see that our organization is not exactly the the colonization of what we call it zero, the continuum. 131 00:18:05,190 --> 00:18:15,660 Muxin Han: The classical musical Hamiltonian. So, what we are monetizing is actually the square root square with an absolute value version of of HDL. So I have so 132 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:27,810 Muxin Han: The colonization somehow. So, so the colonization is actually you have hidden procedure that you first extend you the face face to the entire 133 00:18:28,230 --> 00:18:37,950 Muxin Han: Face based upon gravity and ignoring those now Holloman constraint. But, but then the problem is that under the square root, this quantity is not any more. 134 00:18:38,370 --> 00:18:56,700 Muxin Han: Money possibly positive. So, then, to, to have a well defined operators. So actually we insert a absolute value for the quantity inside the square root. And so, and this quantity definitely can extend to the entire face face and and it can be squared and can be carried out. 135 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:05,400 Muxin Han: So, which means that I'm this so we didn't really impose the. Now, who knows. Now how gnomic constraint those physical conditions on the 136 00:19:06,120 --> 00:19:13,650 Muxin Han: at the quantum level, but instead we modified the physical Hamiltonian. So these consistent with the classical Hamiltonian 137 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:23,040 Muxin Han: In in a portion of the of the faceless okay and these costs, some subtleties, we, we will talk about it in a moment. 138 00:19:23,850 --> 00:19:36,930 Muxin Han: Okay, so once we have these positive language changing self joined physical Hamiltonian and we can just have a unitary time evolution just a standard on mechanics or quantum field theory. 139 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:51,300 Muxin Han: So we can define the transition between two to physical states in the mobile space and to hear because we are interested in semi classical physics. So we introduced the 140 00:19:52,320 --> 00:20:05,640 Muxin Han: Semi classical stays as the initial state and final state. And they are gauging variant coherent state and labeled by gauge orbit orbit of quantity G and these so these 141 00:20:06,510 --> 00:20:15,000 Muxin Han: These gauging very cogent state is just a group leveraging of language environment in state i think most of you are familiar with that. 142 00:20:15,810 --> 00:20:29,970 Muxin Han: So here, this G label G is a hormone a parameter ization of Groupon gravity Facebook and it relates to both flat variables and then hold on. So here are usually parametric alone me as exponential Sam cedar. 143 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:38,100 Muxin Han: Okay and and here it also depends on I semi classical parameter, what we call, usually called T 144 00:20:38,820 --> 00:20:49,500 Muxin Han: This is LP square divided by A square A is just a length unit to make this T dimension is to make LP dimensional is you can view this T IS JUST A LP 145 00:20:50,070 --> 00:21:01,140 Muxin Han: Evaluated at a certain unit. So for example, this a can be like one centimeter and and obviously when we take semi classical emit t equals to zero. 146 00:21:02,550 --> 00:21:12,810 Muxin Han: And then this is what we have done is just a standard procedure of coherence, they pass into raw and so we're desensitized. These unitary 147 00:21:13,350 --> 00:21:26,400 Muxin Han: Time evolution operator in in in it has more steps steps. So we with arbitrarily large and and the each step of the time evolution is arbitrarily small 148 00:21:27,270 --> 00:21:44,430 Muxin Han: Okay, and what we insert is the over company's needs relation of coherent state were normalized cohesion stateside widow and insight Widow is normalized in state and these G is a cell to see as an integral over so to see 149 00:21:46,170 --> 00:21:54,660 Muxin Han: Okay, so this is all very standard. And so here I'm going to just escape all the intermediate steps and it has been taught last year. 150 00:21:55,230 --> 00:22:05,400 Muxin Han: In LTS talk. And you can also find out details in our paper and the result is is we got we got the past integral formula. 151 00:22:06,270 --> 00:22:10,710 Muxin Han: And this is a discrete passed into law and a four dimensional hydrophobic lattice. 152 00:22:11,250 --> 00:22:23,700 Muxin Han: And is hybrid to be like is because this is a gamma, which is a cubic lattice times discrete time. So we got a hybrid cubic lattice and it's it's integrated over intermediate 153 00:22:24,300 --> 00:22:35,820 Muxin Han: Firstly, it integrates over intermediate coherent state labels G for all the intermediate time and there's another folder integral coming from the group everything 154 00:22:36,270 --> 00:22:47,610 Muxin Han: Of cooking state of gauging Murray State. So here, because the initial state and final state. The dependent on gauge orbit. This th is just integrating over all the transformations 155 00:22:50,220 --> 00:23:02,550 Muxin Han: All right and and you can easily see that we can extract and classical action would be class and the exponent is as divided by T T is a semi classical or I mean it's like each bar. 156 00:23:04,230 --> 00:23:23,130 Muxin Han: Here it is the expression of classical action. So the first term. You can see it's analog up the kinetic term and second term is a relates to the matrix element of the Hamiltonian and it's a, it's a, the past interval is the analog of 157 00:23:24,300 --> 00:23:26,370 Muxin Han: Facebook's policy integral component mechanics. 158 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:38,700 Muxin Han: And this quantity and there's in the integration is another major factor is magnified to click on new and it is some function of G. And here it is independent of 159 00:23:39,090 --> 00:23:51,000 Muxin Han: Some classical parameter to this one is the independent semi classical property so and so therefore it doesn't really involve in too much in our discussion about semi classical analysis. 160 00:23:52,140 --> 00:24:04,800 Muxin Han: So here they are some remarks, firstly, these past into raw formulation is really rigorously derived from canonical formulation. So it's we what we have done is just taking 161 00:24:05,610 --> 00:24:16,080 Muxin Han: Reduced bass, bass quantization and taking this unitary time evolution defined the transition amplitude and then the standard coherence, they pass into a procedure and we get these paths in zero 162 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:28,350 Muxin Han: And secondly, this past into raw computer, of course, computer loop on the transition period between certain boundary state. This is very similar poverty with steam form MTG 163 00:24:29,340 --> 00:24:36,420 Muxin Han: And also, importantly, these past integral is manifested finite and manifestly unitary and because 164 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:45,720 Muxin Han: The these transition amplitude is clearly finite and he just well defined unit operator well defined state and its transition on PTO finite 165 00:24:46,050 --> 00:24:59,730 Muxin Han: And transition amplitude equal to the integral integral must be finite. And it's manifesting unity, because this is derived from a unitary time you will know. Okay, so this is the path, the integral formulation 166 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,590 Abhay Ashtekar: Sorry. So what happens to all the large J. 167 00:25:04,770 --> 00:25:07,920 Abhay Ashtekar: divergences that one normally has oh 168 00:25:09,030 --> 00:25:12,510 Muxin Han: Here, there's no divergent anymore so large rate. 169 00:25:14,790 --> 00:25:27,330 Muxin Han: So here there's no luxury. So it's the integral is expressed in in in coherent state variables. So, so there is no I'm not anymore something over. Jay, I don't 170 00:25:28,230 --> 00:25:46,920 Muxin Han: I'm not, it should realize to something over j. Now if I changing the representation from convince a presentation tool tools be networks representation. For example, it should give a semi over j. But yeah, it seems, it's just a changing of representation. So it doesn't change. 171 00:25:47,580 --> 00:25:57,990 Abhay Ashtekar: But then why can't we say that in the order that he spent forms, I can just do the same change of representation and there is no there were just with large chains that are looking for a divergence 172 00:25:58,020 --> 00:25:58,980 Why cannot say no. 173 00:26:00,540 --> 00:26:13,230 Muxin Han: No, no, no. So, so for us being forms, if you somehow changed through the coherence date representation, definitely the divergence is still there. Because, because, at the beginning, it is divergent 174 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:24,150 Muxin Han: So here is really that you have no divergent. It's just the derived from we can find that quantity now. And so it's it's 175 00:26:24,420 --> 00:26:37,710 Carlito2: It's being able to produce products of delta functions in the integral and you can write everything in terms of integral service you too, but the integration is the product of delta functions in the same point that's 176 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:39,480 Muxin Han: Yeah, that's right. 177 00:26:42,990 --> 00:26:44,430 Abhay Ashtekar: Thank you. Okay. 178 00:26:46,050 --> 00:26:52,170 Muxin Han: All right, so, so having this path into raw so we can consider semi classical image. 179 00:26:53,910 --> 00:26:56,160 Muxin Han: So this is really just a standard 180 00:26:57,990 --> 00:27:07,350 Muxin Han: Computation for the stationary face approximation because we have written this into rolling in a standard past integral manner and 181 00:27:07,650 --> 00:27:26,940 Muxin Han: Semi classical limit is particles to zero or in our case s t equals to zero and and then what we need to do is stationary Facebook automation and this integral is dominated by by so called critical points and those who weren't satisfied classical equation emotion or the original principal 182 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,220 Muxin Han: And and those equation motion we have derive it last year. 183 00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:39,480 Muxin Han: I have talked about it last year in the in the talk already. And so just a brief. 184 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:51,510 Muxin Han: Review. Is that what we have done is, is the calculation is we did the whole more make their defamation. So to see to compute this variation 185 00:27:52,320 --> 00:28:06,540 Muxin Han: And we got two equations relates to the variation respect to G and the variation respect to the complex conjugate of G. So we got these two equations. These are relates to time evolution equation. So you can see it. 186 00:28:07,770 --> 00:28:15,090 Muxin Han: Relates to delta top. The more time, more time step. And you can see the right hand side is a whole morphic 187 00:28:15,930 --> 00:28:23,460 Muxin Han: The derivative of matrix element of the physical Hamiltonian and here this is under homomorphic derivative 188 00:28:23,910 --> 00:28:38,130 Muxin Han: Of the matrix element and left hand side it is you have a delta t tower in the denominator and numerator is a difference of two terms and the second second equation is very similar. 189 00:28:38,580 --> 00:28:47,640 Muxin Han: And it's this difference relates to the faith based variables at to neighboring timestamps to two different concepts. 190 00:28:49,230 --> 00:29:04,560 Muxin Han: And the last equation is coming from the variation of things with respect to this age, and the result of the variation. It's just the closure condition and disclosure condition. It's imposed as a constraint on the initial on the initial condition on the initial data. 191 00:29:05,940 --> 00:29:06,300 Okay. 192 00:29:07,410 --> 00:29:15,270 Muxin Han: And then when we analyze those equations we find some interesting and very useful properties as following 193 00:29:16,170 --> 00:29:25,290 Muxin Han: So firstly, so there is a being to be the coherent state has introduced feature is that this past interval is dominated at the neighborhood, we are 194 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:43,770 Muxin Han: If you have two different timestamps and the faceplates variables has to be in a short distance has to be the distance between to face face variables has to be order square root of tea or square HR and this is coming from Golden State passing through also 195 00:29:45,300 --> 00:29:58,500 Muxin Han: At least in the near the semi classical regime. The past interview is dominated by in this in this neighborhood. We are nearby steps the faith based variables is cannot be 196 00:29:59,610 --> 00:30:06,090 Muxin Han: Of long distance and the distance has to be very fraught controlled by the order of square root of it. 197 00:30:07,830 --> 00:30:20,730 Muxin Han: And then once we come into this this small neighborhood and we find that these, these two functions, the one and the to the you can find the have unique route. 198 00:30:21,660 --> 00:30:31,050 Muxin Han: If you solve this equation you want equal to zero and d two equals zero. You can find isolated root of this equation, and they are they are precisely 199 00:30:31,890 --> 00:30:44,250 Muxin Han: GI plus one equals two GI GI equals two t minus one. So, which means the face point has to be coincide, in order that you want to be zero. Okay. 200 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:58,800 Muxin Han: And it relates to the limit that delta top equal to zero as I am going to see right now and I'm going to talk about it right now. So, so let's consider this equation and 201 00:30:59,340 --> 00:31:07,920 Muxin Han: And the solution of an any solution of this equation. And of course, this is a discrete solution. And because the equation motion is this great 202 00:31:08,580 --> 00:31:25,680 Muxin Han: And and here's the observation is that the right hand side is always finite because this is just a matrix elements of the info Hamiltonian and the derivative and they are finite and therefore, for any solutions. The left hand side must be finite to. Yeah. However, 203 00:31:26,730 --> 00:31:35,130 Muxin Han: The standard how he is arbitrary small yeah it's totally arbitrary small because the timestamp and is arbitrary art. 204 00:31:35,580 --> 00:31:48,930 Muxin Han: And this delta x goes to zero and but the left hand side must be finite, for any solution. It forces and that he won, and he to this to function equals has to goes to zero in together. We started out, you 205 00:31:49,950 --> 00:31:57,690 Muxin Han: Know, and because we have seen that there's a these two equations has unique route which are key i plus one equals two GI 206 00:31:58,410 --> 00:32:10,350 Muxin Han: Okay, so when when these two quantity are forced to approach and zero, then it forces GI plus one approaches. Yeah. So it means that you get when we take the 207 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:22,500 Muxin Han: What we call time continues limit until the top goes to zero, it forces that she i plus one approaches Jia. Yeah. And so what we have in congruent, is that 208 00:32:22,860 --> 00:32:31,650 Muxin Han: All all the disparate solutions because all the assumption is that for any solution of the question motion. So, so all these great solutions to meet a 209 00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:43,560 Muxin Han: Continuous time approximation, as all the different solutions can be approximated arbitrarily well by by using continuous function see up top. 210 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:55,770 Muxin Han: And these functions continues in top and then in this in this limit and from this formula, it's it's it's suggest that and the left hand side is just some kind of a time derivative 211 00:32:57,510 --> 00:33:02,700 Muxin Han: Yeah, it's it's a it's a similar to the standard equation motion on 212 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:19,230 Muxin Han: The left hand side is just some time derivative and, indeed, so we can so it shows that whenever we look at the solution of those equation motion. We can take the time continuously to study those solutions. 213 00:33:21,750 --> 00:33:35,640 Muxin Han: Yes. And now when we take this time continually mid for those two equations and we see those equation get quickly simplified so firstly, the right hand side here, it relates to the matrix elements. 214 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:43,500 Muxin Han: Of the Hamiltonian, but we may take the time continuously mid July goes to GI plus one. 215 00:33:44,460 --> 00:33:53,160 Muxin Han: It reduced just the matrix element. And as we know that because this age is highly not normal, and the matrix element is different, very hard to compute 216 00:33:54,030 --> 00:34:08,310 Muxin Han: So, but when it reduced to the the expectation value and it is relatively easier to compute and at least we can use the semi classical perturbation theory developed by Christina Tomas 217 00:34:10,170 --> 00:34:18,660 Muxin Han: To expand this quantity as a power seriousness bar and the leading order is just a classical discrete Hamiltonian. So here it is also 218 00:34:20,190 --> 00:34:36,630 Muxin Han: Considering a bias comments about the graph changing operator and these this procedure cannot be done anymore. So this semi classical perturbations theory developed by Thomas and it only works for for a number of changing operator. 219 00:34:39,060 --> 00:34:52,350 Muxin Han: Alright, so, so then the second simplification is that the left hand side, indeed, really reduced to some derivatives. They are derivatives of homey and flags up to a linear combination 220 00:34:53,070 --> 00:35:03,000 Muxin Han: Okay, then this. So when we carry out the reduction and you can see the left hand side reduced to the time derivative of EP and the Sita Sita is 221 00:35:04,020 --> 00:35:09,990 Muxin Han: Exponent me and and this equation reduced to these 222 00:35:11,610 --> 00:35:13,620 Muxin Han: first order differential equation tell 223 00:35:14,670 --> 00:35:31,170 Muxin Han: And there is a matrix T and this matrix T. It contains very long formulas, all these calculations dummy Mathematica and and this T matrix, it has some long formula. Although, actually. The university has not so many long formulas that you will see in a moment. 224 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:49,980 Muxin Han: So, so here and this those long formulas. These T is a six by six matrix and and the formula, but you can download those formulas from from GitHub. So we have posted all the mathematical code and and result you get up so you can download everything over there. 225 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:57,900 Muxin Han: So here from this formula can see that the the solutions have a and b equation A and B. 226 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:08,790 Muxin Han: Not only can be approached by continuous functions. But actually, it must be differentiable function because because the time it contains time. You ready 227 00:36:11,460 --> 00:36:12,660 Muxin Han: OK, so now 228 00:36:13,290 --> 00:36:13,800 The question. 229 00:36:14,910 --> 00:36:17,640 Abhay Ashtekar: This is again going back to this graph changing what is not gloves. 230 00:36:19,230 --> 00:36:22,170 Abhay Ashtekar: I mean you argued that what is getting a good classical limit. 231 00:36:23,490 --> 00:36:33,300 Abhay Ashtekar: If I just have fixed the graph. And for example, if it is some simple cosmological any situation but sake cosmological situation in which the universe is expanding very rapidly. 232 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:43,830 Abhay Ashtekar: Then in the wall me changing enormously and a fixed graph. The only way are the areas are changing enormously. And the only way that this can happen. 233 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:59,430 Abhay Ashtekar: Is going to be in in this graph, I'm going to get continuously the jays changing enormously right because the number of intersections will be remain the same, because of graph is completely fixed number of intersection even surface of the graph is 234 00:37:00,900 --> 00:37:08,520 Abhay Ashtekar: And so it's this. I mean, on the one hand, formerly I see that you know keeping this fixed graph arguments you and Thomas and then 235 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:23,820 Abhay Ashtekar: You sell give that, in fact, you'll get this similar equation, but how do I visualize it. What is happening in the quantum mechanical situation jays of just changing enormously. Is that what is happening. I mean, to get the classical limit correctly. 236 00:37:26,190 --> 00:37:35,550 Muxin Han: Well, I'm here. Everything is so so here we are not using J variable. So here, everything is classical faceplates variable P and Sita so 237 00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:48,990 Muxin Han: So here is that, in the end, when we do semi classical limit and we see those variables changes quickly support down for expanding universe. So those variable will changes. 238 00:37:49,710 --> 00:38:02,340 Muxin Han: Very large, but these are semi classical variables. And these are just like electricity in face base so so when you talk about Jay which which changes radically rapidly. 239 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,550 Muxin Han: I guess what I mean is at the quantum level. 240 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:17,880 Abhay Ashtekar: Yeah, I mean I got some. I mean, your, your calculation is really relating the quantum theory, the classical theory, you've got the size and you know you're saying that well as the newest was 241 00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:23,940 Abhay Ashtekar: Classically, there's a trajectory and the size of following that trajectory. That's what you're saying. Right. 242 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:24,450 Muxin Han: That's right. 243 00:38:24,540 --> 00:38:32,460 Abhay Ashtekar: That's right in the limit. Yeah, but then to follow that trajectory. I mean I you say that this classical label the label of the query status changing 244 00:38:33,060 --> 00:38:34,440 Abhay Ashtekar: But that just means that the peak. 245 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,170 Abhay Ashtekar: Of the coin stayed in the JIRA presentation is changed enormously. 246 00:38:38,460 --> 00:38:51,720 Abhay Ashtekar: Yeah, I mean the same thing in the quantum geometry is very right here in this sentence, I didn't know that there was a there are finite number of links, but each of them has an absolute huge area right 247 00:38:53,370 --> 00:38:54,600 Abhay Ashtekar: Right, right. So, 248 00:38:55,680 --> 00:39:03,840 Abhay Ashtekar: I mean I mathematical, no problem. But I don't understand. I'm uncomfortable physically about it. I just wanted to express this you can go 249 00:39:04,260 --> 00:39:14,790 Muxin Han: Suppose we somehow take the continuum limit but but suppose, and as well what we had. We can were able to do is is taking the continually me and semi classical level. 250 00:39:16,170 --> 00:39:17,040 Muxin Han: And and then 251 00:39:18,060 --> 00:39:21,270 Muxin Han: In case of the lattice spacing is infinitesimally small 252 00:39:24,030 --> 00:39:29,130 Muxin Han: And I think it is just approximately approximately like continuous theory. 253 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:30,120 But 254 00:39:31,500 --> 00:39:33,420 Abhay Ashtekar: Limit you're taking it just in time. 255 00:39:33,540 --> 00:39:34,140 Abhay Ashtekar: It's nothing. 256 00:39:34,260 --> 00:39:39,330 Muxin Han: Like it so just just a moment. And at some point, I will talk about also the company meeting space. 257 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:40,560 Abhay Ashtekar: So I can talk about later. 258 00:39:40,710 --> 00:39:43,230 Abhay Ashtekar: Okay, but you know just time that's that's 259 00:39:44,010 --> 00:39:46,470 Abhay Ashtekar: Not limited just in time. Yes. 260 00:39:46,650 --> 00:39:47,880 Muxin Han: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. 261 00:39:49,650 --> 00:40:05,730 Jerzy Lewandowski: But if I can ask you, you said that something is wrong about the classical discrete Hamiltonian equation which is in the middle of this slide, if we can see that graph changing operators. So what would be wrong about this equation. 262 00:40:06,540 --> 00:40:14,130 Muxin Han: So, suppose this age is cropped changing. And then this in Nepal, I will just give you a zero, because it changes squat. 263 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:24,540 Jerzy Lewandowski: Oh, but this is only if you consider states like this, but if you consider some states, which also consists of many different grabs, then it may be not zero. 264 00:40:25,740 --> 00:40:26,040 Abhay Ashtekar: Right. 265 00:40:26,550 --> 00:40:27,210 Abhay Ashtekar: Right, this is 266 00:40:27,420 --> 00:40:35,010 Abhay Ashtekar: The states like what the elastic Container Service. Right. I mean, in which is a protein distribution that are all possible possible 267 00:40:36,030 --> 00:40:37,680 Muxin Han: Yeah, probably. But, but 268 00:40:39,870 --> 00:40:49,020 Muxin Han: For that states and that that is not a status identity matrix, right, in principle, that identity matrix. Yeah, well, but that I don't know how to do. 269 00:40:49,530 --> 00:41:04,230 Muxin Han: Coherence they pass into so I'm so at least for this work. So maybe I in the future I will try to sing about the other way. But, but, at least for this work because it's coming from coherence, the past in Toronto and use it this comprehensive 270 00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:10,980 Abhay Ashtekar: So you'd agree. I agree that if it is pure states that it is, it may be difficult to make the argument you're making is that right 271 00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:23,340 Jerzy Lewandowski: Yes, I understand. I mean, I understand that that there is no obstacle to do it in a different way. But in in. We just don't know how to do it in a different way, for the time being. 272 00:41:24,570 --> 00:41:24,960 Abhay Ashtekar: Thank you. 273 00:41:25,470 --> 00:41:26,070 Jerzy Lewandowski: Is it correct 274 00:41:26,250 --> 00:41:26,970 Muxin Han: Yeah. 275 00:41:27,540 --> 00:41:29,310 Muxin Han: That's right, that's right. Correct, yes. 276 00:41:31,860 --> 00:41:33,360 Muxin Han: All right. Um, 277 00:41:34,980 --> 00:41:50,160 Muxin Han: Okay. Okay, so, so now I'm when when we find the the semi classical inclusion motion coming on passing the role reduced to this form. So we are wondering that. Maybe it's related to just the Hamiltonian time evolution in the reduce 278 00:41:51,330 --> 00:41:52,860 Muxin Han: Reduce reduce 279 00:41:55,230 --> 00:42:03,120 Muxin Han: Okay, and indeed we are trying to show this week we agree we are able to show this. So now we are able to transform this equation into a 280 00:42:03,810 --> 00:42:11,820 Muxin Han: Hamiltonian equation and this is they are some detail calculations and with the only thing we need to compute is is 281 00:42:12,420 --> 00:42:25,590 Muxin Han: Expanding the person bracket between Hamiltonian and PNC to variables into a linear combination of derivatives and and those coefficients. You can see that the artists, p, p, cause in brackets PC de 282 00:42:26,580 --> 00:42:37,140 Muxin Han: possum bracket and so on and so here we can define the matrix P which is just containing those posts and bracket and this is zero because Sita Sita percent bracket equals zero. 283 00:42:37,650 --> 00:42:46,530 Muxin Han: And when we carry all this computation computer all the matrix elements and we find that these p is just the inverse of this matrix T what we 284 00:42:46,890 --> 00:42:55,800 Muxin Han: Extract from the semi finals week which emotion and this is awkward this society is is it's a long matrix is a big matrix. 285 00:42:56,700 --> 00:43:14,730 Muxin Han: But if you let her run for for for a while, you will you will just simplify the equation, you find that this key metric is it precisely the inverse of the matrix T. OK. So now you can see that if you if you plug in this relation in the 286 00:43:16,020 --> 00:43:23,160 Muxin Han: Semiconductor equipment motion, what you get is, is just the Hamiltonian. The Hamilton's equation. 287 00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:36,000 Muxin Han: For the, for the physical Hamiltonian. Now, and this is the equivalent. This is just the equivalent form of the semi classical equation motion coming from our past integral 288 00:43:37,590 --> 00:43:38,010 Muxin Han: And 289 00:43:39,450 --> 00:43:50,820 Muxin Han: You can also see that and this equation motion escaping Marianne, because this is just the standard Hamilton's equation and the cost of the closure condition GT this G is just our culture condition it is 290 00:43:52,110 --> 00:43:59,760 Muxin Han: The time evolution of closure condition is zero because he is gauging Mario. So this quarter condition is a concern on it. 291 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:11,850 Muxin Han: Okay, so here's three remarks, we have seen that the semi classical than me. It's just given by the Hamiltonian flow generated by physical this great Hamiltonian 292 00:44:12,270 --> 00:44:20,490 Muxin Han: Okay. And, and now the good thing about it is that the semi classical dynamics is becomes just a initial value problem in in the basement, because we set up certain 293 00:44:20,850 --> 00:44:29,070 Muxin Han: Point in the face face as the initial condition and then you can let the Hamiltonian flow and it's generate solution. This is just really the standard 294 00:44:30,330 --> 00:44:39,120 Muxin Han: Classical mechanics in the face and then the initial conditions uniquely usually the initial condition uniquely determines the solution. 295 00:44:39,660 --> 00:44:51,990 Muxin Han: But of course it has some conditions and if you are in the regime, we are this age is regular and then the initial condition uniquely determines a solution. So, here the regular. It just means that 296 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:57,480 Muxin Han: The, the uniqueness of the solution is controlled by the serum, the fundamental serum of 297 00:44:58,230 --> 00:45:07,500 Muxin Han: Of first order differential equation and and then this age. And so when when program the Hamiltonian flow the Hamiltonian vector field is 298 00:45:08,250 --> 00:45:19,770 Muxin Han: Is satisfying the elections condition certain continuity of the first dollar differential. Then you have unique solution. Even the 299 00:45:20,310 --> 00:45:32,700 Muxin Han: Initial condition. So that's the case when when when some weird when he is regular so indeed, this age is not completely regular. It has some irregularities, as we will see in a moment. 300 00:45:33,660 --> 00:45:42,570 Ivan Agullo: So what one wishes just re understand. So this is you're just getting the emotion that you would get 301 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:48,180 Ivan Agullo: From the initial classical discrete Hamiltonian is a true 302 00:45:49,260 --> 00:46:00,030 Muxin Han: So this is the equation motion derived from passing through. And it's the same as it so it's just the same as the classical equals emotion from a disgrace. 303 00:46:00,990 --> 00:46:06,810 Ivan Agullo: But is that they, they, the classical discrete Hamiltonian that you started with. 304 00:46:07,830 --> 00:46:09,030 Muxin Han: It is, yes, yes. 305 00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,180 Ivan Agullo: Right. But then, you know, Mike. My question is, 306 00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:23,130 Ivan Agullo: One really needs to do all this calculation to reach this result because you know in web the mechanics. When we started popping out 307 00:46:23,550 --> 00:46:28,260 Ivan Agullo: You know, you start with a classical Hamiltonian you promote it on operator, you put it in the bathroom. 308 00:46:28,980 --> 00:46:39,840 Ivan Agullo: And then, you know, just sales consistency of the batting developed tells you that they're stationary face approximation should give you the classical equation of motion. So it's not what you 309 00:46:40,650 --> 00:46:51,030 Muxin Han: Want. So this is Luke on gravity. So it's not completely yes dramatically, it should work. Yeah, this is, but it's not so obvious for the congress it because 310 00:46:51,630 --> 00:46:55,560 Muxin Han: You see, the state is is different from the standard 311 00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:06,930 Muxin Han: Fields theory, the quantum mechanics coherent state and Hamiltonian is also complicated. You see the intermediate step is is non trivial. It's, it's very much rely on the semi classical perturbations theory. 312 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:15,240 Muxin Han: Of Hamiltonian and also also it relies on the structure of the Oregon State and and that's why you can take the time continues limit. 313 00:47:15,900 --> 00:47:30,510 Muxin Han: Yeah, and and it's not is schematically, yes, you are right but but to work it out in detail. It's. Is it reliable rely on non trivial properties of current state or physical Hamiltonian 314 00:47:32,610 --> 00:47:43,140 Ivan Agullo: Think, but then, then this equation has nothing when the money is. Yes, a result of the initial discovery session you know the consequences that you get from these equations has no nothing went on. 315 00:47:45,930 --> 00:47:48,120 Muxin Han: Well, dear, dear us a little bit 316 00:47:49,860 --> 00:47:57,900 Muxin Han: That, that's it. That's the regularity of these Hamiltonian which is not exactly the same as classical I will talk about the right now. 317 00:47:59,100 --> 00:47:59,610 Ivan Agullo: Okay, thank you. 318 00:48:01,980 --> 00:48:10,320 Muxin Han: Yeah, but you're right it's most mostly it is the same as the classical and that's why I say I see it is our theory is semi classical a consistent 319 00:48:11,130 --> 00:48:19,920 Abhay Ashtekar: Can, can I just add to the statement that you want made it's completely right, there's a finite number of degrees of freedom system. So because you had fixed graph. 320 00:48:20,580 --> 00:48:32,760 Abhay Ashtekar: So you don't have to go to filter at all. And so you just order the quantum mechanics, but it is a car or any kind of mechanics on a manifold because configuration spaces as you too, and not a, not an 321 00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:44,220 Abhay Ashtekar: Extra two times and and that is why you have to be careful that the police station case you do have enough st have the same prop share 322 00:48:44,850 --> 00:48:51,600 Abhay Ashtekar: enough number of properties with standard query states on our end for this to go through and that is what I think we should is saying is that right mission. 323 00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:52,560 Muxin Han: Yeah, that's exactly 324 00:48:54,510 --> 00:48:54,870 Muxin Han: Correct. 325 00:48:58,110 --> 00:49:08,910 Muxin Han: Yes. Alright, so, so now let's let's come to the continuum limit, as I promised, so this is a lattice continuum limit of those 10 casco equals emotion. 326 00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:19,140 Muxin Han: Yeah. So here, this is our lattice and I consider there's a coordinate lattice spacing accordingly lens of the lattice at what I called you. 327 00:49:19,410 --> 00:49:29,580 Muxin Han: And then the lattice continuum game. It is a new equal to zero, but at the same time, the number of ladies vs equals infinity. This is the total number of 328 00:49:30,150 --> 00:49:45,870 Muxin Han: Vertices in the lattice. We said that goes to infinity, such that new cube times the number of vertices speaks sort of the total coordinate size of the lattices fix, but we will have total, total number of vertices goes up. 329 00:49:46,890 --> 00:49:49,200 Muxin Han: Okay. And, but here. 330 00:49:50,370 --> 00:50:03,390 Muxin Han: Rigorously speaking. So, what we are doing is taking the continuum limit after the semi classical me so. So because we derive our sand castle equation motion coming from the semi classical image. 331 00:50:04,140 --> 00:50:16,110 Muxin Han: And so we are taking new equals zero, after this. So it means that we are actually in this region that LP is much more than you and much more than eight. So how to understand this, so 332 00:50:16,410 --> 00:50:33,900 Muxin Han: You can view that we picked a is just a unit like once in a mirror one centimeter and then we'll send LP goes to zero faster than musicals to do so. Both LPN new goes to zero, but it's an LP faster and new slow, but both of them. 333 00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:36,960 Muxin Han: Has to send to zero. 334 00:50:38,970 --> 00:50:47,130 Muxin Han: In this limit. And then in this limit we are taking continuously need for this equation emotion. Yeah, and then 335 00:50:47,820 --> 00:50:59,820 Muxin Han: You can you can expand the holiday variable and flux variable and follow me expand in terms of museum order is just a connection field located at point the vertex we 336 00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:11,760 Muxin Han: And and flux give you the density. I tried to do it vertically and up to higher order new and and then it is a some tedious calculation. 337 00:51:12,660 --> 00:51:32,130 Muxin Han: To to expand the the derivatives of physical Hamiltonian and and changing variable and tool to continue. And then after the computation and awkward this competition is tedious. A lot of computer is down Mathematica and running on the server or for a few days. 338 00:51:33,330 --> 00:51:33,840 Muxin Han: And then 339 00:51:35,460 --> 00:51:43,380 Muxin Han: The result is is nice and simple. A nice. The result is that just the so it's very similar to the ordinary 340 00:51:44,460 --> 00:51:48,990 Muxin Han: Hamilton's equation for fields in theory the ordinary Hamptons equation theory. 341 00:51:49,830 --> 00:51:58,980 Muxin Han: In in the continuum theory of gravity does the system and and this is time derivative, it relates to the functional derivative of 342 00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:08,640 Muxin Han: Of the physical Hamiltonian on the continuum and up to higher order in new okay but here, this is not as I said before, and there are subtle body. 343 00:52:08,970 --> 00:52:17,400 Muxin Han: And this is not precisely the classical theory in the continue the different is that you got a absolute value under the square root 344 00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:24,840 Muxin Han: And it's a consequence is, it's very simple. It's just because at very beginning for the quantum theory we have extend the 345 00:52:25,260 --> 00:52:34,620 Muxin Han: Face face from the Costco allowed region to the entire face based on gravity and then to quantify this Hamiltonian. So we have to 346 00:52:35,250 --> 00:52:45,030 Muxin Han: Taking a absolute value because the quantity and of the square root is not any more positive in the entire face, at least for the bronco cash. 347 00:52:45,570 --> 00:53:01,110 Muxin Han: That our bike was one is correspond to Bronco cash does so. So here the you see this is, as I said, is not complete different company, the same as the classical theory in the continue to hear you got extra absolutely 348 00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:10,080 Muxin Han: However, is indeed the same if we have the physical requirements. So here's the physical requirement for the for the dust. 349 00:53:10,410 --> 00:53:21,810 Muxin Han: Is that the quantity and the square root is positive. So, here the semi classical promotion indeed class coincide with a classical theory of gravity and asked when these 350 00:53:22,530 --> 00:53:34,170 Muxin Han: Inequality satisfied and here you can also see the regularity of the physical Hamiltonian is precisely the point we are this quantity goes to zero because that's that's the point we are 351 00:53:34,890 --> 00:53:44,670 Muxin Han: This this physical Hamiltonian is not an it's not differentiable anymore. It's because of this absolute value. It's not debatable anymore. So, so which means at this point. 352 00:53:45,060 --> 00:53:54,930 Muxin Han: The equation motion is really unified is is Hamilton's equation is not well defined. So this is the regularity of the semi classical dynamics. 353 00:53:56,160 --> 00:54:01,590 Muxin Han: OK, and then how to understand this, but it is the nice part of it. 354 00:54:02,550 --> 00:54:12,240 Abhay Ashtekar: Can I can ask question over the last slide please. Yeah. So. So just to go back to what you want was asking. So this irregularity is really not because of the difference 355 00:54:12,870 --> 00:54:26,520 Abhay Ashtekar: In the kinematics of this theory that you're looking at an ordinary part integrals in order the parts integral, the kinematics. Is that the configuration spaces are and here it is issue two to the power number of ages. 356 00:54:27,060 --> 00:54:36,570 Abhay Ashtekar: That is difference that is not the main point. The main point is just that the Hamiltonian. That's right. Yeah. Okay. Is is different. And because you just had to do this thing in diameter. 357 00:54:37,140 --> 00:54:44,760 Abhay Ashtekar: And the second point that was that the two things will be as you said it already, that, you know, if I don't just restrict myself to the case to the classical part 358 00:54:45,150 --> 00:54:56,700 Abhay Ashtekar: Where that in that integration is positive. That's what classical constraint asked you to do, then there is perfectly fine, except that it could be that the singularity, or something like that, then 359 00:54:58,020 --> 00:55:00,960 Abhay Ashtekar: The classical evolution will just stop right 360 00:55:01,890 --> 00:55:08,730 Abhay Ashtekar: On this branch, whereas it could happen, that in fact you might be able to continue to the other branch. 361 00:55:10,290 --> 00:55:15,720 Abhay Ashtekar: Which is classical. It was not there, because that quantity was negative there but but you are 362 00:55:16,860 --> 00:55:25,410 Abhay Ashtekar: Modified Hamiltonian might allow you to do such a such a transition. So have you looked at that, that something like that does happen in this man yes singularities. 363 00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:31,170 Muxin Han: Know, so that's the thing I'm going to talk about immediately. 364 00:55:32,310 --> 00:55:39,930 Muxin Han: Everything is can everything is actually determined by initial condition. So, most of the time you're just going to avoid this. 365 00:55:41,310 --> 00:55:43,770 Muxin Han: So, so this is something I'm going to talk about next slide. 366 00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:46,050 Abhay Ashtekar: Thank you. 367 00:55:47,610 --> 00:55:57,150 Muxin Han: Okay, yes. So now, now here we got a puddle that and you see the arson is the equation emotion is not precisely the same as the classical theory. 368 00:55:57,570 --> 00:56:07,620 Muxin Han: Continuum and the only difference is this irregularity and this absolute value. However, we, we find that, and these are the different is completely controlled by the initial condition. 369 00:56:08,490 --> 00:56:18,600 Muxin Han: And so, so this summer kinds of consistency and regularity are determined by the initial condition and unit or the initial state of the past, you've got the initial state of hospital pick that 370 00:56:19,230 --> 00:56:31,140 Muxin Han: certain basic one as the initial condition and the here. I suppose the initial condition in the faith based are are within the classical allowed regime. Suppose the initial condition satisfies 371 00:56:31,860 --> 00:56:45,960 Muxin Han: These novel gnomic constraint and both of them. It turns out, both of them both of these two now Holloman constraints are going to be preserved by the time you're supposed to total time emotion is finite. 372 00:56:47,250 --> 00:56:53,580 Muxin Han: And the reason is falling. The reason is that for Bronco cash dust in the continuum that this the 373 00:56:54,120 --> 00:57:08,760 Muxin Han: The quantity under the square root, and also that you can walk in and constraint are our conserved are concerned quantities in the classical theatre in the continuing series. Yeah. So here we are not exactly in the continuum. But you can see that continue limit really 374 00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:13,110 Muxin Han: Really relates to the release the same equation. 375 00:57:14,370 --> 00:57:33,090 Muxin Han: So, you find that the, the, they are not. These are not exactly concerned quantity in this great theory, but they are conserved approximately up to older up to corrections of autoimmune because because the equation motion is correct it up to older me in the semi classical soon so 376 00:57:33,150 --> 00:57:40,530 Abhay Ashtekar: I'm sorry, I don't. So why are the concert in the continually isn't isn't the sequel to the matter I Newtonian and yes 377 00:57:41,070 --> 00:57:42,270 Muxin Han: That's right. Yeah, so 378 00:57:42,300 --> 00:57:45,120 Abhay Ashtekar: Why isn't it just a property abroad cash. 379 00:57:45,330 --> 00:57:46,140 Muxin Han: Yeah, this is just 380 00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:48,510 Abhay Ashtekar: A matter Hamiltonian is constantly time 381 00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,570 Muxin Han: Independently and also 382 00:57:53,190 --> 00:58:01,410 Muxin Han: Read young and you are mostly right but but the the immediate reason is that if you compute the 383 00:58:03,060 --> 00:58:10,650 Muxin Han: So, so the quantity and as the square root, if you compute the person bracket with Sufism Hamiltonian zero and also that if you move them constraint. 384 00:58:11,220 --> 00:58:24,180 Muxin Han: CJ certain certain certain moving them constraint, you can compute the bottom bracket with which is zero. It's you just get zero. This is the poverty of the bronco gosh we can't even. Okay. 385 00:58:24,210 --> 00:58:28,200 Abhay Ashtekar: Um, but that you love to the property of a scale of field, for example, because it's not true. 386 00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:30,540 Abhay Ashtekar: Hamiltonian his words. 387 00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:36,360 Muxin Han: Were skillful. Let me, let me see for for scanner field you you 388 00:58:40,470 --> 00:58:43,650 Muxin Han: I don't remember, but I think something similar should happen. 389 00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:44,430 Abhay Ashtekar: No, no, no. So 390 00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:52,410 Abhay Ashtekar: We know that skill level. I've been told is not covered under the, you know, order the evolution in general relativity. It is only the total I 391 00:58:52,410 --> 00:58:55,050 Abhay Ashtekar: Think zero if it changes on the 392 00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,240 Abhay Ashtekar: Fly, which are also changes so 393 00:59:00,540 --> 00:59:02,250 Abhay Ashtekar: So torn between general okay 394 00:59:02,430 --> 00:59:03,540 Muxin Han: So, so yeah I 395 00:59:03,930 --> 00:59:08,460 Muxin Han: Think I was interviewed I not company. Sure, yeah. 396 00:59:08,700 --> 00:59:10,410 Abhay Ashtekar: No, I'm saying that is not true. 397 00:59:10,980 --> 00:59:11,220 Muxin Han: Okay. 398 00:59:11,370 --> 00:59:11,970 Abhay Ashtekar: I'm saying 399 00:59:12,030 --> 00:59:26,490 Carlito2: Is that, is that not true. Also, sorry. Just to clarify, is that also also in the special gays engagement, which uses the scale a field itself as a time because that's a question is not obviously they they they manage those kind of finish off conservative change with Graham. 400 00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:27,300 Muxin Han: Yeah, so 401 00:59:27,690 --> 00:59:28,050 Okay. 402 00:59:29,130 --> 00:59:29,970 Muxin Han: A special gift. Yes. 403 00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:38,370 Muxin Han: Yeah, yes, it is a special game. So, so I'm not. But if Christina is here. She should be able to answer this question. 404 00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:41,040 Muxin Han: So I'm 405 00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:45,540 Abhay Ashtekar: Not Gallo you're right but it's absorbed that gauge does break down in the classical face face. 406 00:59:49,140 --> 00:59:49,350 Muxin Han: Yeah. 407 00:59:49,830 --> 00:59:55,290 Carlito2: Yeah, just, I was just mentioning that is a very cool. You're not sure about the 408 00:59:55,680 --> 01:00:03,750 Abhay Ashtekar: Greater not. I think the scale of field is is constant spatially right, then let's let's talk about later. 409 01:00:04,350 --> 01:00:15,630 Abhay Ashtekar: So the spacer derivatives will be valued and where do worry about whether their time derivative and the square to the Met the metrics or the census quarter the metric would again be times time dependent where you actually consider the 410 01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:21,090 Abhay Ashtekar: The total Hamiltonian. So I think that he would, in that case, it is likely that 411 01:00:23,070 --> 01:00:29,250 Abhay Ashtekar: The total energy density minority concept but let will. Okay. I think about. Thank you. Thank you. 412 01:00:31,500 --> 01:00:31,800 Muxin Han: Thank you. 413 01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:42,780 Muxin Han: Okay. Okay, so. So, because of this conservation poverty and so to this is, it works for both Bronco casters and gouging us 414 01:00:43,950 --> 01:00:44,340 So, 415 01:00:45,450 --> 01:01:00,690 Muxin Han: So then, and these at least this not automatic constraints are going to preserve, although in this case theory. These two quantity that I'm not precisely get preserved. But, but at least those equalities will be get preserved if the total time tease is finite. 416 01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:09,750 Muxin Han: And. All right, so then so, consequently, suppose we we are imposing a semi classical and allowed 417 01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:19,110 Muxin Han: Initial condition if the initial condition are within the semi classical a medium and then these seminars of inclusion motion is complete regular you avoided the regularity. 418 01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:30,630 Muxin Han: And and the solution is uniquely suited solution is unique and and is determined by the initial condition right and. However, the other way around the other 419 01:01:31,410 --> 01:01:42,870 Muxin Han: Way around and suppose initial state relates to a classical forbidden region in the bass, bass and and in that I'm which was some initial condition which violate and those two 420 01:01:43,650 --> 01:01:53,970 Muxin Han: Qualities and you can use that. But the thing is that these initial conditions this initial state is not a more semi Cosco. Okay, so these are not sending passwords. 421 01:01:54,510 --> 01:02:03,840 Muxin Han: Although they are coherent state but but because it peaked at some classical forbidden some some Facebook point which is cosplay forbidden. So then the state is not some Costco. 422 01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:08,220 Muxin Han: And then of course the time evolution of 423 01:02:09,330 --> 01:02:11,640 Muxin Han: Of the state, the time evolution of the 424 01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:24,300 Muxin Han: Of the of the of the place by point is is not going to give a semi classical trajectory, you may get some solution and but it's not going to realize to classical theory. 425 01:02:24,870 --> 01:02:34,380 Muxin Han: Yeah, so this is some kind of analog of negative energy state in quantum field theory and and the early paper by Christina and Thomas has expected these kind of 426 01:02:34,980 --> 01:02:49,410 Muxin Han: You know what happens and it's probably also relates to untie space time because 99 of the states. It's a particle and and it's probably relates to enhance this time mentioned. Bye bye. Hello, Mario on an order. 427 01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:58,080 Muxin Han: But here's the point that things are controlled by by initial stage of passing. So you have the classical 428 01:02:58,740 --> 01:03:17,340 Muxin Han: Semi classical state in the semi classical allowed regime, and then the evolution, listen to classical and and otherwise is not semi classical so here we find and then semi classical analysis is successful and and we got some a cosplay consistent result. 429 01:03:19,380 --> 01:03:25,200 Muxin Han: Okay, so now we can also compute the politics of the transition amplitude as we didn't inform 430 01:03:26,190 --> 01:03:39,570 Muxin Han: The similar method is important because we did the calculation is just the station or a phase of automation and in this approximation, the integral is dominated by the semi classical trajectory. And now, suppose 431 01:03:40,410 --> 01:03:44,550 Muxin Han: We assume the initial state and final state. They are they are both semi classical 432 01:03:45,090 --> 01:03:56,910 Muxin Han: And suppose the are connected by a trajectory in bass, bass surgeons by equation motion. OK. And now we have the solution and what we need to do is simply plug in the solution. The classical action. 433 01:03:57,330 --> 01:04:03,450 Muxin Han: And we got this awesome how the formula we have the US and how the approximation of the integration of G. 434 01:04:04,740 --> 01:04:17,100 Muxin Han: And and this age is we just need to compute and principal compute the actual matrix. And we just get the additional expansion for the integration of G. So here, we still have a 435 01:04:17,700 --> 01:04:28,590 Muxin Han: Integration of age, because we still need to integrate over gateway. So because initial final condition they are anyway really there any way to gauge or it 436 01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:43,530 Muxin Han: So here the, the interesting the good poverty of this formula is that the equation emotion is really unique or the semi classical boundary state. Suppose the boundaries. They are semi classical, the solution is unique. You don't have any regularity. 437 01:04:44,550 --> 01:04:51,120 Muxin Han: And and then the result is g into raw behave as syntactically same single accessory. 438 01:04:52,290 --> 01:05:03,450 Muxin Han: So here, you only have a single explanation because the solution is unique and that now you have to each interval. So he into his overall the game transformation of the initial condition. 439 01:05:05,460 --> 01:05:22,260 Muxin Han: And otherwise, I suppose the initial and the final state. They are they are not connected by any trajectory. So he's fine. Question emotion and then these empty to justice repressed and suppressed exponential because you don't have a solution and 440 01:05:23,910 --> 01:05:28,530 Muxin Han: Okay, so, so this is our semi classical result so 441 01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:36,120 Ivan Agullo: Damn little this essentially zero or one, whether these two populations are classically connected 442 01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:46,380 Muxin Han: Is zero know it's a is so suppose they are connected by a solution, then it's also the auxiliary. This is exponential 443 01:05:46,470 --> 01:05:53,610 Muxin Han: Sheila oximetry and otherwise is is is decaying faster than any polynomial UT 444 01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:58,800 Muxin Han: It's a like the exponential decay is it's like exponential 445 01:06:00,630 --> 01:06:02,760 Minus one over to something like that. 446 01:06:06,510 --> 01:06:12,360 Carlito2: Is standard quantum mechanics are connected by solution, you should be the exponent of the Hamilton function of the 447 01:06:12,930 --> 01:06:15,000 Carlito2: Reactor the trajectory, they're connected to 448 01:06:16,230 --> 01:06:20,220 Muxin Han: Yeah, yeah. And this is the Hamptons function and 449 01:06:22,830 --> 01:06:26,970 Abhay Ashtekar: I think that some of the confusion is coming because of missing eyes or some kind of venture about it. 450 01:06:27,060 --> 01:06:33,300 Muxin Han: Oh, OK. I see. Yeah. So here, somehow I didn't really expect I 451 01:06:34,530 --> 01:06:38,820 Muxin Han: Mean from them. So, so, so this is purely imaginary is as experience. 452 01:06:41,940 --> 01:06:46,110 Muxin Han: OK, so now next let's compare with speakerphone formulation. Yeah. 453 01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:55,350 Muxin Han: Okay, so. So here on the left hand side is the simple formulation and right hand side is our, our new passing through. And so here 454 01:06:55,920 --> 01:07:12,150 Muxin Han: We have some similarities and both of them describes the transition amplitude between on web networks days and. And here our population mostly use use coherent state, but it's just a matter of changing representations, you can calculate the 455 01:07:13,260 --> 01:07:15,060 Muxin Han: Network they continue to build 456 01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:33,330 Muxin Han: And and these hour and the speed formulation is defined on the triangulation where our formulation is defined is a disgrace passing the ball hybrid to be goddess and and more. And it's I find it's just a 457 01:07:35,310 --> 01:07:45,690 Muxin Han: It can be reformulated as a hybrid to be involved that. So because this model is closing relates to the easy model derived by by matching philosophy and your retirement ASCII 458 01:07:46,320 --> 01:08:03,240 Muxin Han: Over there. They couple gravity to us the most killer field and the derive a simple model for this and and and it's equivalent to a department riding gravity using scale of view and then transition to. And so our model is closely related to what they are doing. 459 01:08:05,670 --> 01:08:18,600 Muxin Han: More and both of them relates to customer gravity. So Slim form relates to read your calculus and and I have shown in previous lives and our as integral relates to grab the tasks here. 460 01:08:19,500 --> 01:08:34,080 Muxin Han: Okay. And so these are the similarities and they are differences. So here at least some open issues for some form formulation and these are these open problem has been reviewed several weeks ago. 461 01:08:35,460 --> 01:08:43,560 Muxin Han: In the talk, or four simple and so firstly, it has well known cosine problem but but here's a cosine phone 462 01:08:44,310 --> 01:08:51,570 Muxin Han: It is just a problem after nine unique solution even waste Space. Space initial conditions. Yeah, so the cosine problem, it just 463 01:08:52,290 --> 01:08:57,990 Muxin Han: Is the problem that even you specify the boundary condition as 464 01:08:58,860 --> 01:09:07,170 Muxin Han: Three boundaries three metric and also boundaries, we experience the culture. You can specify both metric and experience their culture on the boundary 465 01:09:07,590 --> 01:09:18,630 Muxin Han: The solution of the equation motion is still not unique is not unique. So, so the 99 uniqueness come from different orientations. Right. 466 01:09:19,110 --> 01:09:32,220 Muxin Han: And that's the origin of the cosine form. Well, I'm you sometime you get this cosine problem resolved only at a, at a level or single force. In fact, there was work by Virginia and Claudio, meaning 467 01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:40,620 Muxin Han: And they study in the single person blacks amplitude and single posting like amplitude and imposing boundary condition. 468 01:09:41,070 --> 01:09:53,160 Muxin Han: Goals extremely curvature and metric and over there. Indeed, you don't have cosine. You only have an angel. But in general, suppose you can see their multi versus 90 versus those more physical situations. 469 01:09:54,270 --> 01:10:00,090 Muxin Han: Yeah, you can't avoid cosine. So, so then the initial condition cannot cure. 470 01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:10,560 Muxin Han: Other solution. The solution is not unique. That's, that's origin of of cosine problem okay and and then secondly, you have also 471 01:10:11,130 --> 01:10:21,210 Muxin Han: Classical flatness problem and and we are some evidence showing that in large a limited amplitude is seems dominant by flat space time 472 01:10:21,870 --> 01:10:30,180 Muxin Han: Right and and then or in my opinion it, it actually means that the larger limit is probably not the right limit so 473 01:10:30,570 --> 01:10:45,480 Muxin Han: We need some or modify the larger limits and to look at the semi classical problem for what's being bombed. So, so therefore the for for these problems, the statement is it's not clear. The semi classical and poverty is not complete clear or 474 01:10:45,690 --> 01:10:54,060 Carlito2: Machine. Sorry. Since you're mentioning that. And since many people listening. There's some strong new results coming from not from me from 475 01:10:55,950 --> 01:11:01,080 Carlito2: The people doing the American in my say on that. So I just want to announce it will be 476 01:11:01,140 --> 01:11:01,650 Muxin Han: Now, okay. 477 01:11:01,950 --> 01:11:04,020 Carlito2: So, so those are some clarity coming in soon. 478 01:11:05,070 --> 01:11:08,400 Muxin Han: I see, I see. Okay. I'm looking forward to that. Yes, thanks. 479 01:11:10,620 --> 01:11:19,500 Muxin Han: All right. And so, Sir. Sir, Polonius is relation relation to canonical upon gravity is of course now not clear. 480 01:11:21,030 --> 01:11:31,050 Muxin Han: And there's also a mild problem about divergence and the if you consider model with no Cosmo, the constant, it is divergent and a new model which cost model costume is not divergent 481 01:11:32,910 --> 01:11:45,060 Muxin Han: And then lastly, there's a university degree it's it's not clear for or personal forms and in these covariance approach. It's not so clear about what the sense of integrity. 482 01:11:46,290 --> 01:11:52,320 Muxin Han: And alright so so now in our population and all those problems getting improved. 483 01:11:53,520 --> 01:12:05,580 Muxin Han: So I'll show you that in case that you have a semi classical initial states and in the same in classical out regime, the solutions unique and the complete consistent with classical 484 01:12:06,450 --> 01:12:11,280 Muxin Han: Classical continues theory and you have no cosine and we just get a single central 485 01:12:12,090 --> 01:12:20,040 Muxin Han: Yeah. And so the key point is that if we don't have a cosine is because of this time continuously because the solution of we have better control of the 486 01:12:20,790 --> 01:12:31,260 Muxin Han: Equation emotion. Yeah. And we know that the other solution of equals emotion has time continuously. Yeah. And because of this time continue doing it kill all the other 487 01:12:31,980 --> 01:12:40,140 Muxin Han: Solutions and and you can do this. You might suppose you have some analog of course is but but because of this continuous this 488 01:12:40,890 --> 01:12:55,470 Muxin Han: Those solutions just got killed. So you can imagine that suppose in speed form. You can also take sort of this kind of time continues limit, then you won't have cosine anymore. And because you see those different solution orientation is kind of junk. 489 01:12:56,490 --> 01:13:07,050 Muxin Han: It's kind of junk of the configuration of the jump of the configuration and going from one place to the other. And suppose you have time continuous limit and all the 490 01:13:07,770 --> 01:13:22,380 Muxin Han: Variables are continuously evolve in time, then you don't have these kind of jump. Yeah. And then means that you don't have because I know but but unfortunately these new forms we have, we don't have central control. 491 01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:24,210 Muxin Han: V motion. 492 01:13:25,770 --> 01:13:32,760 Muxin Han: And secondly, really, we don't have flatness problem because we semi classical human just reduced to the 493 01:13:33,660 --> 01:13:48,840 Muxin Han: Gospel equation of of gravity does the system and we can have all interesting corrupted space times and and we can study so. So last year we have studied cosmology and and later on I will talk about cosmological perturbations. 494 01:13:49,800 --> 01:14:02,040 Muxin Han: Yeah, and and the relation with canonical loop on gravity. Yeah, this is the point here that it is derived from canonical gravity. So it has clear relation with economic theory and 495 01:14:02,610 --> 01:14:22,440 Muxin Han: Moreover, we have no divergence and because it's just the derived from a finite quantity and it is a tradition amplitude. It is finite and and this island is irrelevant to cosmological constant, you can have model with no cost model constantly still finite and of course we also I night. 496 01:14:23,730 --> 01:14:32,340 Muxin Han: Also is also manifestly unitary because it just equals to unitary foundation. So there is a sense of integrity with more 497 01:14:34,530 --> 01:14:42,030 Muxin Han: More awkward. The are open issues and the development of our new formulation. It's still, you know, early stage. 498 01:14:43,050 --> 01:14:53,610 Muxin Han: So, so, but in both formulation of steam form and and and our passing formulation and you have these issues. So firstly you have complete certain computational complexity. 499 01:14:54,750 --> 01:15:07,830 Muxin Han: So, as far as I know, for the numerical calculation and the complexity grows pretty fast equals Rajai and also you know when number of vertices grows and but but Carlos mentioned that there is some new strong results probably 500 01:15:08,910 --> 01:15:21,840 Muxin Han: They are they are a lot of improvement with all this perspective and for our formulations. The computational complexity comes from the non polynomial property of Hamiltonian operator. 501 01:15:22,470 --> 01:15:29,280 Muxin Han: But when we take the time continue steam it and when these matrix element reduced to expectation value so 502 01:15:29,700 --> 01:15:44,010 Muxin Han: The perturbation cost prohibitive calculation are are lots. We can use a semi classical percussion theory compute is although this is something we are going to do in the future and and the also the last poverty is is 503 01:15:45,090 --> 01:15:56,340 Muxin Han: Is last, the issue is also important. It's a both of them are triangulation dependent. Both of them are lightest dependent and inform depend on triangulation, and our model depends on 504 01:15:56,880 --> 01:16:12,840 Muxin Han: To be Gladys. And so we need a better understanding both of the models and to understand how we refine the lattice at the quantum level. So I would have thought it was the continuum living in the classical level at the classroom level. So here, what more 505 01:16:13,980 --> 01:16:18,120 Muxin Han: Difficulty with more challenges is the company, maybe at the quantum level. 506 01:16:19,350 --> 01:16:21,840 Ivan Agullo: To machine just to make sure I, I understand. 507 01:16:22,110 --> 01:16:32,790 Ivan Agullo: Okay, so the unitary the property of dimension in the previous slide rests on the absolute value that you introduce in the initial Hamiltonian, isn't it. 508 01:16:34,050 --> 01:16:36,450 Muxin Han: Um, yes, yes. 509 01:16:37,050 --> 01:16:40,950 Ivan Agullo: So it's a consequence of that, if you don't lose that absolute value. Yeah. 510 01:16:40,980 --> 01:16:45,090 Muxin Han: I don't have a union operator and myself, June 20 511 01:16:46,440 --> 01:16:47,820 Muxin Han: Yeah, that's a good point. Thanks. 512 01:16:50,910 --> 01:17:03,720 Muxin Han: Okay, so now let's apply all these series to to cosmological perturbation theory. Let's Let's derive cosmological perturbation theory from top down and get some feelings. 513 01:17:06,030 --> 01:17:23,160 Muxin Han: Okay, so now let's. This is our record. This is our equation motion from the past into raw from quantum theory and derived from passing the ball from semi classical analysis and the sisters Hamiltonian Hamilton's equation emotion and now we are just going to solve this equation by inserting 514 01:17:24,390 --> 01:17:38,610 Muxin Han: Arms as of cosmological perturbations here. So, so here is our own that's for the hollow me and flux and and or exponent Apollo me and it equals to the cosmology. 515 01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:51,240 Muxin Han: part as a leading water and plus some perturbations. So, similarly for flux and so the leading order the zeros order is just a homogeneous and isotopic cosmology. 516 01:17:51,660 --> 01:18:02,940 Muxin Han: And here's a script X and sweep the why they are perturbations and different lattice has all different different vantage point has all different perturbations. 517 01:18:04,290 --> 01:18:06,360 Muxin Han: And now when we plug in this 518 01:18:07,440 --> 01:18:13,140 Muxin Han: plugin is around us into this solution and we can we get a first 519 01:18:13,980 --> 01:18:24,060 Muxin Han: Order equation motion and also the first order linear it Krishna motion for the perturbations and the zeros older perturbation and it is just our work last year. 520 01:18:24,390 --> 01:18:37,740 Muxin Han: And the result is just the fact the dynamics of cosmology. He knew not skin, new, new zero scheme and the result is a suppose museum museum is not zero, then you get a symmetric bounce. 521 01:18:39,180 --> 01:18:53,490 Muxin Han: And now the first order equation emotion is a linear equation motion now perturbations and the background on on a new not scheme effective cosmological background so it will be just a linear ization motion on these kind of background. 522 01:18:55,980 --> 01:18:57,990 Muxin Han: Alright, so, so now for 523 01:18:59,910 --> 01:19:03,990 Muxin Han: For comedians I introduced some shorthand notation I called V role. 524 01:19:05,610 --> 01:19:20,670 Muxin Han: As a function of vertices. And these are, it's a vector of all the provisions and in total, you have 18 components and because you have nine components or horny probation and nine components for flux perturbations. 525 01:19:22,590 --> 01:19:29,610 Muxin Han: And then the calculation is done in the for your space we can make the standard lattice Porter transform and usually 526 01:19:30,450 --> 01:19:48,600 Muxin Han: It's a standard for transforming that is field theory and the interest is over the first of all, you're in, zoom, and because we have the screen is the lattice. It gives you we cut off with momentum pie divide by new new is a coordinate 90 spacing. 527 01:19:50,040 --> 01:20:01,290 Muxin Han: And now once we plug in the US and get the first order linear equation motion and we get a standard, we can put the equation, the standard form. 528 01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:12,270 Muxin Han: So all those most of those perturbations are coupled and you get a relatively complicated complicated matrix you is 18 by 18 529 01:20:12,750 --> 01:20:30,030 Muxin Han: And this this again contain long form and all this calculation has to be down in Mathematica and the calculation last few days, one or two days to get this equation because the reason is that we use. These are two months Hamiltonian has complicated expression if you expand 530 01:20:31,770 --> 01:20:52,920 Muxin Han: But, but you can download all those. So, so those are those forming all those calls will appear in this GitHub can download, so here we also make a assumption but but this assumption with without losing generality this k is had only the zero, the x component 531 01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:56,730 Muxin Han: Okay, and to make the formula simple 532 01:20:57,930 --> 01:21:14,460 Muxin Han: And moreover, we also have a linear is a closure condition. So this is just a kosher condition linear it perturbations and zeros order, you don't have sales order because zero order and satisfying closure automatic and we are going to just dissolve those equation you mark. 533 01:21:15,450 --> 01:21:17,400 Ivan Agullo: What do you mean by closure conditions. Sorry. 534 01:21:17,970 --> 01:21:22,620 Muxin Han: Oh closure condition is the dispute is God's constraint. 535 01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:27,600 Muxin Han: So this is a closure condition of the queue. 536 01:21:28,290 --> 01:21:29,130 Ivan Agullo: So you have to have it. 537 01:21:29,250 --> 01:21:34,170 Muxin Han: All the vertex is six violent and you have to be closure condition. 538 01:21:37,260 --> 01:21:40,710 Ivan Agullo: And this is the only constraint that you have for perturbations didn't have any other word 539 01:21:42,540 --> 01:21:52,260 Muxin Han: That only constraint. Yes, that's the only constraint. Well, I mean, some constraint that dumb Hamiltonian constraint now is transformed into consideration. 540 01:21:53,220 --> 01:22:03,120 Muxin Han: Transforming the conservation. So the exam. The Hamiltonian constraint. Now in the in the paradise remark, it becomes the conservation of the physical i'm tony 541 01:22:05,010 --> 01:22:18,030 Abhay Ashtekar: But I think just to clarify, if you're a lot. Apply the previous general framework to the to this particular setting of cosmology, then you still have the brown cost model so that it is still at some deep parameters in some 542 01:22:18,270 --> 01:22:23,160 Abhay Ashtekar: Sense. And so this is not what normally people will call us political participation. Right. 543 01:22:23,700 --> 01:22:38,400 Abhay Ashtekar: Because the normal course Walter perturbation theory, people would say that there are constraints genuine constraints on the cosmological perturbations themselves and for the on the background metric, which, for you have disappeared because you are just reduces the system. 544 01:22:39,630 --> 01:22:55,680 Abhay Ashtekar: So from that perspective, this is not what people normally would call the cosmological perturbation t this some extended version of cosmology and which one is embedded in dust variables and eliminating the constraints. And so, and got to reduce space. 545 01:22:56,730 --> 01:23:15,090 Muxin Han: That's right, yes. So, so this is at this moment. This is not a standard formulation. It is the department tries formulation using Bronco cash last but it's closely related related. I'm going to talk about in the next briefly mentioned the next slide. So this is a walk down by Christina. 546 01:23:16,770 --> 01:23:27,120 Abhay Ashtekar: But this is the thing that I was just, this is why he was asking this question about other other constraints. And I think the reason why there aren't is just because of the the parameter ization 547 01:23:27,570 --> 01:23:28,590 Muxin Han: That's right. Exactly. 548 01:23:30,330 --> 01:23:38,550 Muxin Han: Okay, so here we are going to solve those to actually solve those equation we need numeric and I talked about in a moment. 549 01:23:39,750 --> 01:23:53,400 Muxin Han: But, but before the result. Let me first look at the continuum limit to see the consistency of those equations with the some with some existence with some existing results. 550 01:23:54,150 --> 01:24:06,360 Muxin Han: And so now we have 18 linear equation motion for cosmological perturbations. So now we are just we can take continually me but take New Jersey zero and then it's reduced simplifies these big matrix you 551 01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:15,210 Muxin Han: And also we can take in enclosure condition we take new goes to zero, it just reduced to the linear, it goes 552 01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:25,920 Muxin Han: OK, and now we can build a three metric perturbations, we can construct the metric perturbations using using productive flux variables. 553 01:24:26,340 --> 01:24:44,010 Muxin Han: And we get a metric perturbation Tata and this does he can see that it's just a linear combinations of those perturbations be and these are all flux perturbations and we can also make the standard as VTT Composition, Writing those perturbations into deeper 554 01:24:45,180 --> 01:24:54,270 Muxin Han: To get a tensor mode skater mode and better most, by the way. So, this equation to be in the form of space between these are I case. 555 01:24:56,430 --> 01:24:57,900 Muxin Han: On to i times k 556 01:24:59,220 --> 01:25:06,210 Muxin Han: So once we plug in these decomposition into the continuum limit of our provision provision series. 557 01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:09,420 Muxin Han: In production equations. 558 01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:21,660 Muxin Han: And what we got. We can decompose equation in in three different kinds of most scholar mode Record mode and tangible and we get the equations. 559 01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:32,700 Muxin Han: With those equations, we got the complete reproduce the classical gauging variant cause model cosmological provision theory developed by Christina. 560 01:25:33,630 --> 01:25:47,370 Muxin Han: 7129 and all your link or service or what their what the study is for Brown cooker dust and the the study the classical gauging variant cosmological perturbations theory. 561 01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:59,490 Muxin Han: Yeah, and we get these kind of equations over there. And so here you can see that when sort of more precisely here when alpha equals one. So here alpha equal to zero, it would correspond to 562 01:26:00,420 --> 01:26:06,060 Muxin Han: Couch and asked for the alpha equal to one and those equations and company will produce 563 01:26:06,750 --> 01:26:17,400 Muxin Han: The equations and and India paper. They also have some. We also have a discussion that and those equations are closing relates to the Standard Cosmological perturbations you 564 01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:27,270 Muxin Han: Know, and here also interesting remark is that for tensor mode, you see those exclusively the dispenser mode reduced to the familiar 565 01:26:27,750 --> 01:26:36,210 Muxin Han: Equations motion for for gravitational wave and an Indian from this equation, we just reproduce gravitas skin to particle emergent 566 01:26:36,870 --> 01:26:44,760 Muxin Han: Right, so he all these televisions on full of gravity some cash flow analysis and we got this equation and we got gravity. Right. And so you 567 01:26:45,270 --> 01:26:57,330 Muxin Han: can grab the we have gravity gravity. Tell us into particle excitation, by the way they are. They are and several there are a bunch of group of condensed matter physicists that they can really be 568 01:26:58,380 --> 01:27:15,540 Muxin Han: Focused on revenue. You can reproduce that's been two articles and those people they they they they try to emergent single particles from biblical orders and and so on. And they don't really believe one gravity has into particles, but here you see that we indeed have 569 01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:19,260 Muxin Han: We have seen two particles well to Congress. 570 01:27:20,010 --> 01:27:22,110 Ivan Agullo: But this is the linear new going to shrink. 571 01:27:22,620 --> 01:27:25,080 Muxin Han: Yeah, this is a continuing this is in the country. 572 01:27:25,980 --> 01:27:27,120 Ivan Agullo: Right, you 573 01:27:28,410 --> 01:27:36,480 Muxin Han: Know in the district level, you got some corrections of product dispersion relation, this is in the next life. 574 01:27:37,950 --> 01:27:38,430 Ivan Agullo: Okay, thank you. 575 01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:52,200 Muxin Han: Alright, so there's a small comment about Warsaw's Hamiltonian usually use by was asked group and with all these TV was down using these are two months I'm Tonya 576 01:27:53,460 --> 01:28:04,230 Muxin Han: But we also try to use was Hamiltonian. But unfortunately, at least from our calculation is that the that Hamiltonian doesn't really give the right answer. 577 01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:05,820 Here. 578 01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:12,060 Muxin Han: At least in the continually. So that's just a comment. 579 01:28:13,170 --> 01:28:13,470 Muxin Han: All right. 580 01:28:13,590 --> 01:28:27,180 Ivan Agullo: Right machine, but I can you come back to the previous slide, because I am a bit confused with the logics because, you know, you start with a modified Hamiltonian modified by a distribution parameter is by new 581 01:28:28,650 --> 01:28:39,600 Ivan Agullo: You go to the passenger and then take the semi classical limit and you obtain as one would expect that the equation suggest the classical equations obtained from your modified Hamiltonian 582 01:28:40,290 --> 01:28:53,490 Ivan Agullo: And now, if you take the leaving New go into zero to recover GR. So, one should shouldn't be too surprised that you recover the types of perturbations from GR because you are just copy back to Jerry. Is that accurate. 583 01:28:56,370 --> 01:28:57,480 Muxin Han: Yeah, of course, this is 584 01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:09,810 Muxin Han: Well, this wasn't so trivial and because you see for spin bombs and for the previous passing to formulation know we haven't achieved that before. 585 01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:25,410 Muxin Han: So it wasn't so trivial but but indeed you're right in the end you recover. We from the calculation we recovered. Dr. And then, yes, the cosmological perturbations theory in this limit also recovered, er, 586 01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:40,530 Muxin Han: But, but the non trivial, of course, the non trivial consequence is the how these discrete news new relates to correct those equations right and it's a non trivial parties correction of those equations right that's 587 01:29:40,590 --> 01:29:41,940 Muxin Han: Correct. You're interested 588 01:29:42,630 --> 01:29:43,980 Ivan Agullo: And here. 589 01:29:44,190 --> 01:29:44,700 Abhay Ashtekar: So that 590 01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:58,560 Abhay Ashtekar: Might be that, you know, younger this put specific Hamiltonian gap preserving Hamiltonian constraint and it could have been wrong. Right. I mean, there's no guarantee that you're going to give you the correct 591 01:29:59,940 --> 01:30:12,450 Abhay Ashtekar: classical limit, of course, as one is saying is that if we know that you give the correct classical limited full Jia that of course you should get the correct classical emitting in cosmology and data, I agree that is a consequence. No. 592 01:30:13,200 --> 01:30:20,250 Muxin Han: Yes, yes, this is a consequence. But then of course the interesting part is the corrections. So this is something here. 593 01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:23,910 Javier: I before. Before you go, I have a question. So 594 01:30:24,930 --> 01:30:37,740 Javier: I agree that these resellers non trivial and maybe the example is that the you use the Hamiltonian by the Alice ski ski and so on. You mentioned that he seems that he doesn't good continue limit right 595 01:30:38,310 --> 01:30:41,790 Muxin Han: Right as far as our calculation. It doesn't seem to 596 01:30:42,030 --> 01:30:42,360 Javier: Me. 597 01:30:42,510 --> 01:30:45,420 Javier: Can you explain a little what or why 598 01:30:46,590 --> 01:30:46,830 Javier: Did 599 01:30:47,820 --> 01:30:48,150 Javier: A good 600 01:30:48,780 --> 01:31:02,580 Muxin Han: I don't have a very precise answer, but my feeling is that this is this is a feeling, maybe the, the, the problem is is that is appalling. So all the 601 01:31:03,060 --> 01:31:20,580 Muxin Han: deregulate regularization is and they take the usual up a part of Hong Kong. And the last part of Hamiltonian, they, they use us a three quarter three converter skater and then the three commercial skater and regularized using using Reggie calculus. 602 01:31:22,050 --> 01:31:43,650 Muxin Han: But my feeling is that if you use regular calculus. As for the second term, but but the continuum limit of the radical goes and the continuum limits of the Ukrainian Hamiltonian is is not precisely the same because ready calculus is is a distributional regularization so 603 01:31:45,210 --> 01:31:54,120 Muxin Han: Continue millionaire up the regular calculus, it is much more subtle than, than the Ukrainian part of the Hamiltonian so so 604 01:31:54,660 --> 01:32:05,670 Muxin Han: I wonder, maybe the reason is that because these two terms has two different ways of cutting limit, one has to be extremely careful about 605 01:32:06,390 --> 01:32:26,370 Muxin Han: About how to take the company me, at least for for the standard way, just like the spacing goes to zero is my reason, no problem. But I, I don't have a precise answer for for for for this, but at least for for the company. We use it's completely fine. Okay, thank you. 606 01:32:30,300 --> 01:32:33,690 Muxin Han: Alright, so now let's come to some some consequences. 607 01:32:35,940 --> 01:32:43,410 Muxin Han: And compare the discrete equation motion and continuous equation motion. So firstly we this is a plot of the scanner more power spectrum. 608 01:32:44,610 --> 01:32:56,190 Muxin Han: So it's, by the way. So this is you my opinion. So this is currently just a toy model because I'm here, we only can see that the only major contribution is the dust the bronco cash does 609 01:32:56,730 --> 01:33:07,110 Muxin Han: And and we don't consider radiation matter. And also, we don't really, we didn't really take into account the inflation. We don't. We didn't couple influence and this is 610 01:33:07,650 --> 01:33:26,730 Muxin Han: A few gravity coupled gas and and we extract the skater mode and this cloud. His word his body in potential by and this project is done is a for for cosmetic constraint equal to 10 to the minus five and the lighting spacing new equals to 10s of mine is too. And this is for Bronco casual 611 01:33:28,440 --> 01:33:46,080 Muxin Han: And we set up certain initial conditions for budding potential and other quantities and and we let let it evolve and those dashed lines are the continuum Siri power spectrum or a skater mode and those solid curve. They are discrete 612 01:33:47,700 --> 01:33:56,220 Muxin Han: Equation emotion coming from Luke on grabbing. So you can see that it is similarly the similar quality behavior as 613 01:33:56,970 --> 01:34:12,360 Muxin Han: As the dress the metric approach and that when when for for large momentum and these two result coincide, but for more momentum. They got pretty different. So you got difference that's more momentum. This is 614 01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:17,670 Ivan Agullo: But here you have your considering a balance with inflation after the bounce etc or 615 01:34:17,730 --> 01:34:32,850 Muxin Han: Or what. No, no, there's no inflation. No, we didn't really consider inflation and the, the initial condition is is imposed after the bath at t equals to what those bounds is like t equals zero. So the initial condition is imposed at equals one. 616 01:34:35,910 --> 01:34:39,270 Muxin Han: So this is my, this is the poverty of the body and potential 617 01:34:41,580 --> 01:34:54,780 Abhay Ashtekar: So it's more like looking at what was done in local cosmology for the background, you start at a later time, and you will towards the singularity service and the statement is that you get 618 01:34:56,040 --> 01:35:08,460 Muxin Han: So we didn't really evolved towards singularity. We still evolve to the future. So t is t equals zero. It's a singularity and he goes to one after the singularity. And then we evolved to the to the future. 619 01:35:10,710 --> 01:35:15,930 Abhay Ashtekar: Okay, so therefore, at any given time. So I'm just going to confuse our body so 620 01:35:17,340 --> 01:35:18,540 Abhay Ashtekar: You want to 621 01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:21,810 So, 622 01:35:22,860 --> 01:35:25,380 Abhay Ashtekar: For for a fixed time. Like, for example, equal to two. 623 01:35:26,670 --> 01:35:31,590 Abhay Ashtekar: You still find that there is a departure. 624 01:35:32,280 --> 01:35:34,230 Abhay Ashtekar: From classical behavior. 625 01:35:35,130 --> 01:35:39,360 Muxin Han: Right for for small moment that the reason for that. 626 01:35:41,010 --> 01:35:47,490 Muxin Han: Formula is not here. I think we figure out the reason for that, for that is because the definition for the bad in potential 627 01:35:51,660 --> 01:35:56,490 Abhay Ashtekar: OK. OK, I will talk later because it's really late now. So we should do, what did you finish. 628 01:35:57,540 --> 01:36:01,500 Muxin Han: You mustn't and it's because the bottom potential is 629 01:36:04,680 --> 01:36:15,600 Muxin Han: The bottom financial is anti proportional to decay is is one is partial one overcame. Yeah. So then, then when the cables to small those discrepancies get amplified. 630 01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:28,800 Muxin Han: Is good the effect of the screen is done and amplify. Yeah, but we can discuss later so. So here, this is a scanner more power spectrum. And when we come to a tensor mode. So we be computed easily the dispersion reaction. 631 01:36:29,220 --> 01:36:42,060 Muxin Han: Or for this great situation and Adelaide time anytime the extremes ecology goes to zero and this is formula in case that cosmic cosmic equal to zero as well and and we get 632 01:36:43,320 --> 01:36:51,240 Muxin Han: This dispersion relation and this dispersion relation is the same as the one opt in by earlier by Andrea DePaul and and calls 633 01:36:52,560 --> 01:36:59,850 Muxin Han: And over there. The, the, the study questions gravitational perturbations on the flat space time and they get the same 634 01:37:01,110 --> 01:37:10,290 Muxin Han: Dispersion relation and which the leading order to speed up the gravitational wave is just the speed of light, and the second order, get some corrections. 635 01:37:11,610 --> 01:37:13,080 Muxin Han: Or new new square 636 01:37:15,090 --> 01:37:17,730 Muxin Han: Feet is a little bit smaller. You know, like 637 01:37:18,780 --> 01:37:30,360 Ivan Agullo: I just find it confusing that that you you find a corrections for tensor most for high k because these extra term in the square bracket is important for 638 01:37:30,630 --> 01:37:32,550 Ivan Agullo: Dominance. Okay, but 639 01:37:32,970 --> 01:37:36,720 Ivan Agullo: You know better relations do you find corrections for small k find that. Right, right. 640 01:37:38,250 --> 01:37:46,410 Muxin Han: So these are so as I said, this is a relates to the definition of gravitational potential. So if you just look at the 641 01:37:47,550 --> 01:37:54,090 Muxin Han: time evolution of them are Holloman flux and you don't really see you only got height, a 642 01:37:55,530 --> 01:38:05,430 Muxin Han: Corrections. Yeah, there's a reason for for these kind of departure is because of this button potentially to contract that it is proportional to one. Okay. 643 01:38:06,030 --> 01:38:17,460 Muxin Han: It's been a while. Okay, okay, goes to smoke small, then the description is because they are in the numerator is proportional to me. Yeah. And when k equals to zero, effectively making this new law. 644 01:38:18,570 --> 01:38:21,300 Muxin Han: So that's the reason for this department. 645 01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:35,430 Muxin Han: Okay, and also particular mode. This is also there are some other difference is that it relates to backer mode. So to distance or multiple this great case, it interferes with vector more 646 01:38:35,970 --> 01:38:44,250 Muxin Han: Spectrum of view. So it's interfered by the tensor mode at this grade level or this interference is appears at the continued so 647 01:38:45,930 --> 01:38:58,140 Muxin Han: Now this is a difference between pitching our result. And the result and the report and over there. Yeah, so it's all working is coming from because our work is coming from the 648 01:38:59,130 --> 01:39:07,470 Muxin Han: Fools theory, taking into account and all different kinds of perturbations. So we find the interference between tensor mode and make them all. 649 01:39:09,180 --> 01:39:17,250 Abhay Ashtekar: But if you don't have this test, but we just don't scale a field like inflation. Then there are no victims. And so there are no 650 01:39:22,110 --> 01:39:29,310 Muxin Han: Yes. Maybe I I don't really so we didn't really do calculation for skater more probably 651 01:39:30,720 --> 01:39:45,750 Muxin Han: May be right but but for skater was a couple to scatter feels so over there, you'll still have the demo villain constraints. So you still have another equation for the constraint. So probably got it got better, more back 652 01:39:47,460 --> 01:39:50,010 Muxin Han: Button. So, probably we need to look into that. 653 01:39:53,040 --> 01:40:01,230 Muxin Han: Okay. And, okay, so. So let's come to the last little bit about relation with numerical relativity. So, so 654 01:40:02,130 --> 01:40:08,580 Muxin Han: Okay, so here, here it is logic. So all the previous calculation is that we have these equations motion for equation motion. 655 01:40:08,910 --> 01:40:13,800 Muxin Han: On the gravity form passed into law and will have what we have done before is that first 656 01:40:14,220 --> 01:40:22,620 Muxin Han: We simplify this equals emotion by by plugging some owns us and the sounds as relates to certain symmetry or linear ization 657 01:40:23,130 --> 01:40:31,800 Muxin Han: Of the variable respect to some background and somehow and get these equations simplified and then we solve the simplified equation. This is a logic. 658 01:40:32,790 --> 01:40:42,180 Muxin Han: In a previous life right and however there's a different approach. So we could just to solve the equation. Right. And we have the numerical tool to solve the 659 01:40:43,200 --> 01:40:55,020 Muxin Han: Equation right and put the entire equation and numerical package and but the symmetry of the solution is imposed by initial conditions. Now we just the truth, all different kinds of initial conditions and to evolve numerically. 660 01:40:55,380 --> 01:41:05,250 Muxin Han: The entire equation and this is more in the logic of numerical relativity and and, moreover, and this equation and the equation motion of the coupon, where he is indeed of the tag. 661 01:41:06,300 --> 01:41:14,700 Muxin Han: As it has been studied in numerical activity because left hand side is sometimes the relative and on the right hand side is some some function on Facebook. 662 01:41:15,210 --> 01:41:22,980 Muxin Han: Yeah, so therefore a given we could. What we can do what we can do is that we put the entire equation. 663 01:41:23,490 --> 01:41:36,090 Muxin Han: On the computer and then giving various initial conditions and then the numerical method should create all different kinds of space times from semi classical look on gravity. So not only 664 01:41:38,070 --> 01:41:40,890 Muxin Han: cosmology and Cosmos division theory inputs for all the 665 01:41:42,030 --> 01:41:49,650 Muxin Han: Different kinds of interesting space times will be created from this equation, and indeed so so my collaborator one Leo is 666 01:41:50,910 --> 01:41:57,480 Muxin Han: He's a person who many, many make these progress and he has made a c++ package. 667 01:41:58,170 --> 01:42:09,030 Muxin Han: For numerically evolving the equation motion and we have running various tests for for this code or gamut of the simplest, the test is just a revisit 668 01:42:09,390 --> 01:42:22,350 Muxin Han: The homogeneous as a topic cosmology, we post the initial condition which is as a topic and homogeneous in space, but we plug in the time evolution of the equation and you see here is the plot. 669 01:42:23,880 --> 01:42:25,950 Muxin Han: The blue curve is the 670 01:42:27,540 --> 01:42:32,340 Muxin Han: Is the expected result which come from the first approach. 671 01:42:33,540 --> 01:42:43,170 Muxin Han: Simplify equation and solve simplified equation and then those purple dots are coming from the numerical relativity come from numerical 672 01:42:44,400 --> 01:42:49,230 Muxin Han: Come from the full equation new record involving the full equation and and only imposing 673 01:42:50,280 --> 01:43:00,570 Muxin Han: So probably homogeneous initial condition and here the red dot are so here is basically putting to plot in in the same plot. 674 01:43:01,710 --> 01:43:07,320 Muxin Han: So those red dots are arrows. But when you look at those arrows, you have to use the axis right 675 01:43:08,460 --> 01:43:15,810 Muxin Han: And you can see that those arrows are all bonded to the 10 to the minus six. So Dr. Numerical areas which are well controlled 676 01:43:16,590 --> 01:43:29,520 Muxin Han: And on the right hand side is a numerical computation of physical Hamiltonian right and and consider this physical Hamiltonian. We can we can numerically relatively precise precisely to compute this. 677 01:43:30,540 --> 01:43:34,800 Muxin Han: Physical Hamiltonian to error is 10 to the minus lab. 678 01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:39,450 Muxin Han: Some consistency test for the mark. 679 01:43:41,520 --> 01:43:50,910 Muxin Han: Okay, so, so, at last, let me conclude. So here we have present a new path integral formulation of loop on whether the transition amplitude and 680 01:43:52,050 --> 01:43:55,980 Muxin Han: So this is the past in zero. This is the face face. 681 01:43:57,840 --> 01:44:02,850 Muxin Han: integrating over an intermediate state and you have seen that 682 01:44:03,480 --> 01:44:09,630 Muxin Han: Semi classical limit of these past integral reproduces the classical gravity does to Siri on the continuum. 683 01:44:09,930 --> 01:44:21,060 Muxin Han: And we have compare the discrimination with inform formulation we find this new formulation has advantages, including the finiteness integrity and relations can call upon gravity. 684 01:44:21,510 --> 01:44:31,410 Muxin Han: And episodes of cosine platinum sponsor or we can derive from the the spoon theory. The cosmological and derived cosmological 685 01:44:32,040 --> 01:44:47,820 Muxin Han: Cosmological perturbation theory from the EU complexity theory we got scanner more than more than sensor mode and we can find the power spectrum which are used for a phenomenal logical. Those are useful to compare with observation in the future poverty. 686 01:44:49,560 --> 01:45:05,310 Muxin Han: And also for tensor mode, we see these elite that rabbit town spin to cetaceans ball Looper loop on revenue and so everything is somewhat costly consistent. So on revenue is a theory has the correct semi classical 687 01:45:07,500 --> 01:45:12,300 Muxin Han: Moreover, the semi classical dynamics of Hulu com where you can realize to numerical relativity 688 01:45:14,100 --> 01:45:25,560 Muxin Han: Alright, so now let's make outlook. So firstly, the next thing we should do is of course do more computations for the gravity transition amplitude, especially the computation. 689 01:45:26,160 --> 01:45:30,090 Muxin Han: quantum level at the quantum level because of the company's vision here is semi classical 690 01:45:30,810 --> 01:45:44,010 Muxin Han: And then there's the thing we need to do first is to compute the matrix elements or the expectation value of the Hamiltonian and at least for the expectation value of hunting me should be able to compute at least productive. 691 01:45:46,230 --> 01:45:56,130 Muxin Han: And then we should be able, some more computations. We may help us to understand the behavior of the lightest refinements at the quantum 692 01:45:57,360 --> 01:46:09,840 Muxin Han: More work for cosmological perturbations theory, we have to in the future, coupled with info towns and relates to phenomenology. So here in our form and another advantage of this formulation is that we can we can cover all kinds of matter. 693 01:46:11,250 --> 01:46:11,910 In this 694 01:46:13,110 --> 01:46:27,240 Muxin Han: In the framework and because in canonical theory, the matter company is it's relatively easy. So we can couple all kinds of matters is it's just, it's really 341 of my student is actually working on this direction and 695 01:46:27,930 --> 01:46:37,020 Muxin Han: We should be able to couple inflict on to the theory and do the cosmological perturbation theory to, you know, in a more physical situation. 696 01:46:39,690 --> 01:46:54,960 Muxin Han: And also we new record activity we we we should be able to compute create more semi classical space times using the Mac nicer and we can, we should study black holes and other more generic space times 697 01:46:55,800 --> 01:47:07,920 Muxin Han: And also, in the end, we should, in the future, we next thing we should do is that you should study the cosmological perturbations theory from new Baskin on web the Arctic Siri to there. There was a work. 698 01:47:08,940 --> 01:47:11,400 Muxin Han: Last year that we can generalize. 699 01:47:12,480 --> 01:47:17,820 Muxin Han: The new bar scheme in cosmology to the food theory. So, we can write down a new bar scheme. 700 01:47:18,840 --> 01:47:28,200 Muxin Han: For Hamiltonian of gravity and and enrich the equation motion renewals back to the new Baskin loop on cosmology. 701 01:47:30,150 --> 01:47:35,010 Muxin Han: From the equation emotion when when we insert the founders of homogeneous isotopic 702 01:47:37,320 --> 01:47:37,950 Muxin Han: Solutions. 703 01:47:39,120 --> 01:47:49,170 Muxin Han: So, so, I mean, that's the next thing we should do is doing cosmological perturbation theory you asking that remark. Okay, I think that's all I want to see. I want to say. 704 01:47:56,580 --> 01:47:57,630 Jorge Pullin: Any questions left 705 01:48:01,980 --> 01:48:08,670 Harold Haggard: Quick comment, it's, it's very much tangential to your talk, but relates to what Carla was mentioning 706 01:48:10,020 --> 01:48:15,390 Harold Haggard: BIANCA Dietrich's at the Santa. And I also have a paper coming out this week on the flatness problem. 707 01:48:16,410 --> 01:48:36,990 Harold Haggard: And it goes in the in the same direction that you were mentioning, where, where we think about large J limit but also a small barbero emergency parameter limit. So it very much goes in that direction that you were mentioning, and does so in a very simple way. 708 01:48:38,100 --> 01:48:40,440 Muxin Han: Okay, yeah, I'm looking forward to that. Yeah. 709 01:48:41,610 --> 01:48:46,380 Abhay Ashtekar: Thanks. Yeah, I just got a couple of quick comments. I mean, the first was that 710 01:48:48,810 --> 01:49:01,800 Abhay Ashtekar: God will raise this issue about whether in this if you have a scale of field. And if I looked at as you rightly said, if you look, look at the scale of field equal constant for creation. Is it the case that 711 01:49:04,230 --> 01:49:05,220 Abhay Ashtekar: That the 712 01:49:06,690 --> 01:49:07,710 Abhay Ashtekar: The Hamiltonian 713 01:49:09,270 --> 01:49:16,320 Abhay Ashtekar: The scanner feel Hamiltonian is preserving time or is not preserving time and this really the first. This is a direct impact to our 714 01:49:17,400 --> 01:49:18,390 Abhay Ashtekar: Mission was saying. 715 01:49:19,440 --> 01:49:30,480 Abhay Ashtekar: In is the discussion about why there is no transition. So to say from the part where the geometrical part of the scale of constraint is positively to the negative and so 716 01:49:31,050 --> 01:49:37,560 Abhay Ashtekar: So the statement that I'm I would like to make is that if you're taking count. You ready for taking into account the final constant 717 01:49:38,220 --> 01:49:49,410 Abhay Ashtekar: For radiation, then the Hamiltonian of the scale of view is not constantly time and therefore the argument that machine made will have to be generalized be modified. 718 01:49:50,700 --> 01:49:52,860 Abhay Ashtekar: And the second comment I would make was so 719 01:49:53,130 --> 01:49:54,780 Abhay Ashtekar: We should do want to say something. Oh, yeah. 720 01:49:54,810 --> 01:50:03,990 Muxin Han: Yeah, so, so no i i remember that there is actually a I think it's still conserved and and I can remember there's a formula in in 721 01:50:04,950 --> 01:50:08,760 Muxin Han: In the paper by Turek and Christina and other collaborators. 722 01:50:09,750 --> 01:50:17,730 Muxin Han: But the title of paper is gravity on highs over there. The, the study dependent tries gravity boots skater is a single scale appealed and over there. 723 01:50:18,060 --> 01:50:28,650 Muxin Han: They indeed I sink. And I remember that there is a formula, showing that the physical hands on the integration of the physical Hamiltonian are mutually community mutually community. 724 01:50:29,700 --> 01:50:29,910 Muxin Han: So, 725 01:50:30,210 --> 01:50:32,040 Abhay Ashtekar: When I just look at the equation emotion I 726 01:50:32,550 --> 01:50:33,090 Abhay Ashtekar: Will talk about 727 01:50:33,540 --> 01:50:36,510 Muxin Han: Yeah, so I want to use the formula. 728 01:50:37,620 --> 01:50:54,690 Abhay Ashtekar: Right. But I can also tell you what, if you just take the evaluate the Hamiltonian without going to handle and without good framework, just take the Newtonian take the equation emotion and evolve evolve it in time and then see what happens. And I'm saying that it will not 729 01:50:55,800 --> 01:50:59,100 Abhay Ashtekar: be concerned if the total volume is changing in time. 730 01:51:00,480 --> 01:51:05,370 Abhay Ashtekar: Okay. So was this something that we should sort out first, because that is important for this. 731 01:51:06,570 --> 01:51:07,020 Abhay Ashtekar: Transition 732 01:51:07,140 --> 01:51:23,280 Jerzy Lewandowski: But indeed, moving is right that this is this phenomenon is that if we integrate this Hamiltonian which we obtain when we modify it constraints, then then actually does commute. 733 01:51:23,910 --> 01:51:25,740 Abhay Ashtekar: That the matter Hamiltonian and the 734 01:51:27,240 --> 01:51:27,750 Abhay Ashtekar: Concept. 735 01:51:28,290 --> 01:51:33,210 Jerzy Lewandowski: Where this is effective Hamiltonian which we, which is used as we 736 01:51:36,990 --> 01:51:45,180 Abhay Ashtekar: Thought so. It's not the matter Hamiltonian. I was talking about the math. Okay, let's do this. Most people are not interested in this. So let's, let's not kid ourselves. 737 01:51:46,230 --> 01:51:50,070 Abhay Ashtekar: The. The second thing that I just wanted to mention was that 738 01:51:52,140 --> 01:51:53,460 Abhay Ashtekar: That the 739 01:51:55,500 --> 01:51:58,080 Abhay Ashtekar: Inner in the last but one transparency, you had 740 01:51:59,430 --> 01:52:00,240 Abhay Ashtekar: Issues about 741 01:52:02,400 --> 01:52:02,910 Abhay Ashtekar: The 742 01:52:04,200 --> 01:52:11,760 Abhay Ashtekar: Comparison with the standard spin form right and the cosine problem and so on so forth. Yeah. 743 01:52:13,320 --> 01:52:23,310 Abhay Ashtekar: Yeah, right. So the cosine problem and so on so forth. And I think that what you're on the right hand side is exactly what happened in the time model that 744 01:52:24,810 --> 01:52:31,290 Abhay Ashtekar: Anderson completely and I are considered where we consider just started with the Hamiltonian framework of lukewarm cosmology. 745 01:52:31,890 --> 01:52:32,520 Abhay Ashtekar: And just 746 01:52:32,700 --> 01:52:33,960 Abhay Ashtekar: Wrote down the corresponding 747 01:52:34,980 --> 01:52:46,350 Abhay Ashtekar: Spin falls flat. That's right. And then for for the corresponding spin falls for that really had all the features that you are talking about here that, first of all, there was no cosine problem that everything was 748 01:52:47,400 --> 01:53:01,650 Abhay Ashtekar: Was finite. There are no diversion whatsoever and everything was unitary and this is very nice. But what you're saying is that it is, it can be generalized completely to the full lukewarm gravity context provided one was for the fixed lackeys 749 01:53:02,250 --> 01:53:02,580 Muxin Han: Yes. 750 01:53:02,670 --> 01:53:10,260 Abhay Ashtekar: But I still feel that working with a fixed flat is is not is not really the right thing to do because I think physically 751 01:53:11,340 --> 01:53:23,280 Abhay Ashtekar: As you as the university walls and more and more. What is it should be created and the kind of mixtapes that were considered, for example by LSC and so on so forth in which 752 01:53:24,570 --> 01:53:34,680 Abhay Ashtekar: One of the probability distribution of the number of vertices and and then you know the number of bodies is the change as time time evolves in in the in the quantum theory. 753 01:53:35,640 --> 01:53:47,340 Abhay Ashtekar: That I think is something that you might want to consider seriously, then you're also looking at the new basking because that thing naturally does lead you to Baskin, so I just wanted to pick a destination. 754 01:53:50,310 --> 01:53:52,530 Francesca Vidotto: And yes, I want to comment on these vehicles. 755 01:53:53,610 --> 01:54:05,850 Francesca Vidotto: There's been a prejudice in quantum cosmology against the use of the interchanging graph, I'm etonian exactly because of the difficulties of implementing the member scheme. 756 01:54:06,150 --> 01:54:21,060 Francesca Vidotto: So I think here there is a so I am very much in favor of using a notion geographically fun in cosmology, in particular, because there is a very straightforward interpretation here is that the physics that is more clear. I think 757 01:54:21,480 --> 01:54:31,350 Francesca Vidotto: So the point is not to think of the sides of the lattice as representing a really quantum space time and but rather as 758 01:54:31,860 --> 01:54:40,440 Francesca Vidotto: It truncation of the theory. So in cosmology, we wanted to we describe it location of food general activity in the same way we adopted the 759 01:54:41,010 --> 01:54:54,450 Francesca Vidotto: graph that we use to this particular approximation. So what I think is very nice here is not using the changing of me, Tanya, is the fact that that. So the graph represents to education. 760 01:54:54,870 --> 01:55:04,350 Francesca Vidotto: And by evolving our I miss Tanya and we keep the same approximation. So in particular, so if you start with a homogeneous needs to tropic Hamiltonian geometry. 761 01:55:04,620 --> 01:55:14,550 Francesca Vidotto: You evolve into a homogeneous among them into in and these are trapped in German, and I think this is very nice. Of course, it would be good to see the full implementation of the new bar scheme. 762 01:55:14,970 --> 01:55:22,320 Francesca Vidotto: There. And this was a comment. I know you have a question for machine. And because I would like to see 763 01:55:22,950 --> 01:55:41,880 Francesca Vidotto: I was thinking, okay, it's easy to add matter and to other an influx of potential, but can we just do this work with this model in a kind of a matter bounces. And are you using the cash as as a dominant matter for the bounce. 764 01:55:43,680 --> 01:55:53,490 Muxin Han: A little So firstly, it is just a straightforward to to to to add matter. So that's why I gave it to one of my PhD, so 765 01:55:54,750 --> 01:55:57,900 Muxin Han: So this is really straightforward to add met and do calculations. 766 01:55:59,490 --> 01:56:06,210 Muxin Han: So, so the bounds of his own it. So here, indeed it has bounced and 767 01:56:07,800 --> 01:56:13,290 Muxin Han: So, probably because here we don't really have the, the other kinds of matter. So this is the bounce, which is 768 01:56:14,490 --> 01:56:18,570 Muxin Han: In the, in the past, the dominant regime. Is that what you asked me. 769 01:56:19,500 --> 01:56:29,010 Francesca Vidotto: Well, the thing is that if you have a matter bouncer the gas to the matter you have is dominating the contracting face and therefore when you studied the 770 01:56:30,690 --> 01:56:40,950 Francesca Vidotto: Corresponding the emerging power spectrum where you would find the almost create environment, the power spectrum for free. So that could be nice and could be 771 01:56:40,950 --> 01:56:41,820 Francesca Vidotto: Something to 772 01:56:42,000 --> 01:56:44,490 Francesca Vidotto: The by itself as interesting by itself. 773 01:56:44,850 --> 01:56:50,700 Muxin Han: So is that what you mean to here for for the for the continuum theory for the continuum. 774 01:56:51,600 --> 01:57:11,340 Muxin Han: Cosmological perturbations theory. Indeed, the power spectrum is flat. So it has no cave and those dashed lines we are continuing series. Yeah. So I'm here. So, this is this great theory with finite new and we got yeah yeahs for large K is the same but but for small k you get some departure. 775 01:57:12,390 --> 01:57:13,710 Muxin Han: Is that what you mean. 776 01:57:15,450 --> 01:57:34,440 Francesca Vidotto: Well, yeah, of course, the devil monster scanning variance concerned at the most. We we do which we have access at the moment. So yeah, so it's open for what happens for the very energetic modes. Yeah. Okay. I want to think about this. 777 01:57:36,330 --> 01:57:36,600 Okay. 778 01:57:37,710 --> 01:57:45,840 Muxin Han: Yeah, thanks. So I about an advice comment about the these lattice. So, so to me. And so, of course, this question is always 779 01:57:47,130 --> 01:58:07,260 Muxin Han: Two different questions. Conceptually, or practically conceptually yes and i by Stephanie. Correct. And so they are issues that always depend on lattices. Always good to to move from that is dependent small to some that is independent model. That would be nice. 780 01:58:09,930 --> 01:58:14,910 Muxin Han: Yeah, and this is something we need to look into that, in the future, but on the other hand, 781 01:58:15,930 --> 01:58:23,070 Muxin Han: Practically, so to my opinion is that I'm to actually do calculation. This is much more convenient. 782 01:58:24,180 --> 01:58:28,290 Muxin Han: To the conclusion because this is just something like lattice case here, and this is 783 01:58:29,400 --> 01:58:35,580 Muxin Han: Just the same structure us and that is chaos theory and. And the only difference is that, well, of course. 784 01:58:36,270 --> 01:58:48,780 Muxin Han: You got different action and but here you get, the more complicated action, then that escapes the little worth. And so therefore, and lots of calculation in that use case theory should be able to apply to you. 785 01:58:49,530 --> 01:58:57,210 Muxin Han: For example, the first thing one we have to try is the largest perturbations here at the quantum level, the largest perturbations here. 786 01:58:58,950 --> 01:59:03,570 Muxin Han: So, so, I mean, from the practical computation know perspective. Probably this lattice. 787 01:59:04,680 --> 01:59:13,200 Muxin Han: Siri is more convenient to compute and and then take the understanding continually or refinement. 788 01:59:14,580 --> 01:59:15,780 Muxin Han: Of the opportunities. 789 01:59:17,310 --> 01:59:20,190 Muxin Han: Yeah, so there are two different approaches. That's, that's what I you 790 01:59:21,930 --> 01:59:35,940 Abhay Ashtekar: Know, I completely agree that, you know, once you get a lot of infusion. The technical structure of the theory using the simplest possibility, which is just fixed like it's I completely agree with that, but I feel that one is really missing out physics in 791 01:59:37,350 --> 01:59:38,040 Abhay Ashtekar: In terms of 792 01:59:39,480 --> 01:59:41,640 Abhay Ashtekar: Work to the fixed slide is not just because 793 01:59:42,660 --> 01:59:45,540 Abhay Ashtekar: The lattice, not just because of the 794 01:59:48,150 --> 01:59:49,590 Abhay Ashtekar: Kind of the 795 01:59:50,610 --> 01:59:57,660 Abhay Ashtekar: The crop scale is fixed ISIS was as as Francesca of saying that is, OK, but what is not okay, I think, is that 796 01:59:58,950 --> 02:00:00,630 Abhay Ashtekar: That is really that 797 02:00:02,130 --> 02:00:08,880 Abhay Ashtekar: The description of the quantity of description of the dynamical nature of geometry is not properly. 798 02:00:09,870 --> 02:00:20,910 Abhay Ashtekar: Incorporated unless we allow addition creation and subtraction removal of focuses I think that if you have a fixed number of vertices and fixed number of ages. 799 02:00:21,390 --> 02:00:26,250 Abhay Ashtekar: That just will not give you a good column description of the of the levels. 800 02:00:26,760 --> 02:00:36,270 Abhay Ashtekar: Even that late stages of evolution. So there is a conceptually shares machine or something. There's a practical issue and but you definitely do this fixed lot is to get as much information as possible. 801 02:00:36,870 --> 02:00:41,730 Abhay Ashtekar: In the practical issue of activity computations and see technically what is true. What is not 802 02:00:43,260 --> 02:00:44,790 Muxin Han: Right. Right. Yes. 803 02:00:47,490 --> 02:00:48,300 Jorge Pullin: And nothing else. 804 02:00:50,580 --> 02:00:52,500 wolfgang wieland: And ask a question machine. 805 02:00:52,860 --> 02:00:53,190 So, 806 02:00:55,230 --> 02:01:04,410 wolfgang wieland: So at some point or when you introduce deeper read recession, you were using the bond cooker cooker formalism and 807 02:01:05,040 --> 02:01:18,180 wolfgang wieland: Well, you had there was read time coordinates. Think you call them capital key space coordinates, a bit less, and later on when we were going to the when you were going to the quantum theory. 808 02:01:19,200 --> 02:01:39,600 wolfgang wieland: I understood that you had a notion of time evolution or so it's time, Hamilton. A true Hamilton operator that creates tension translations in key. But what I was wondering about this. But what about as. So have you also studied I 809 02:01:39,870 --> 02:01:41,130 wolfgang wieland: Have a few more physicians 810 02:01:41,730 --> 02:01:45,960 Muxin Han: And so, so the human translations generating sigma 811 02:01:46,350 --> 02:01:50,910 Muxin Han: Exactly example so support Bronco cash dust and it is generated by 812 02:01:52,470 --> 02:02:00,780 Muxin Han: By these different over them. This quantity is not not not not precisely. It's not see a but 813 02:02:03,120 --> 02:02:03,660 Muxin Han: But 814 02:02:05,910 --> 02:02:12,600 Muxin Han: But CJ, there is a linear transformation of that. So this is not precisely 815 02:02:14,010 --> 02:02:24,690 Muxin Han: This is not precisely conserved, but if you contract with this guy with a tetra and and this will be a concert quantity in this 816 02:02:25,230 --> 02:02:47,370 Muxin Han: In this Bronco cash that model and and these generate the space translation. See this this so to hear this small age and these see it gives you a symmetry algebra and these age give you can generate a time translation and these guys generate the space translation. 817 02:02:48,300 --> 02:02:56,640 wolfgang wieland: So just a small follow up, if possible. So the amplitude Steve will finally depend both on T and S or sigma 818 02:02:57,480 --> 02:03:23,250 Muxin Han: The amplitude. No, no. The, the amplitude is just to depend on t is because the spatial what the it is a state and the initial aptitude, which is Hamiltonian operators time translation and the with initial and final state. So the final MP God depend on state. 819 02:03:24,600 --> 02:03:27,000 Muxin Han: But and and the time translation. 820 02:03:30,540 --> 02:03:31,590 Okay, thanks. 821 02:03:34,530 --> 02:03:35,460 Jorge Pullin: Any other questions.